>>>>>RIT TIGERS... The Polisseum, just like the Ritter only more of us!<<<<<

[kwh7433]

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I was under the impression that to be a D1 school, all teams would have to make the jump. Pretty sure the NCAA doesn't want any other teams playing up, and RIT had to appeal to the NCAA for the women's hockey team to go D1.

I also heard rumors of RIT appealing to the NCAA to allow scholarships for hockey, but I am not sure of the truth to that or if it went anywhere.

Here's what my research found:

"In the early 21st century, a controversy arose in the NCAA over whether schools will continue to be allowed to have one showcased program in Division I with the remainder of the athletic program in a lower division, as is the case of, notably, Johns Hopkins University lacrosse as well as Colorado College and University of Alabama in Huntsville in ice hockey. This is an especially important issue in hockey, which has no Division II national championship and has several schools whose other athletic programs compete in Division II and Division III.

This controversy was resolved at the 2004 NCAA Convention in Nashville, Tennessee when the members supported Proposal 65-1, the amended legislation co-sponsored by Colorado College, Clarkson University, Hartwick College, the Johns Hopkins University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Rutgers University-Newark, St. Lawrence University, and SUNY Oneonta.[66][67] Each school affected by this debate is allowed to grant financial aid to student-athletes who compete in Division I programs in one men's sport and one women's sport. It is still permitted for other schools to place one men's and one women's sport in Division I going forward, but they cannot offer scholarships without bringing the whole program into compliance with Division I rules. In addition, schools in Divisions II and III are allowed to "play up" in any sport that does not have a championship for the school's own division, but only Division II programs and any Division III programs covered by the exemption can offer scholarships in those sports.

The Division I programs at each of the eight "waiver schools" which were grandfathered with the passing of Proposal 65-1 were:

Clarkson University – men's and women's ice hockey
Colorado College – men's ice hockey, women's soccer
Hartwick College – men's soccer, women's water polo
Johns Hopkins University – men's and women's lacrosse
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute – men's ice hockey (women's ice hockey moved up to Division I in 2005)
Rutgers University-Newark – men's volleyball (dropped to Division III in 2014)
St. Lawrence University – men's and women's ice hockey
SUNY Oneonta – men's soccer (dropped to Division III in 2006)"

"Six Division III members are allowed to award athletic scholarships in their Division I sports—a practice otherwise not allowed for Division III schools. All of these schools sponsored a men's sport in the NCAA University Division, the predecessor to today's Division I, before the NCAA adopted its current three-division setup in 1972. At that time, the NCAA did not sponsor championships in women's sports. Today, these schools, often called "grandfathered", are allowed to award scholarships in the one originally grandfathered sport, plus one women's sport."

"Some schools, however, have opted to compete in a sport at a higher level and are allowed to do so by the NCAA under certain circumstances. First, schools in Divisions II and III are allowed to classify one men's sport and one women's sport as Division I (except for football and basketball), provided that they were sponsoring said sports at Division I level prior to 2011. In addition to this, a lower-division school may compete as a Division I member in a given sport if the NCAA does not sponsor a championship in that sport for the school's own division. Division II schools may award scholarships and operate under Division I rules in their Division I sports. Division III schools cannot award scholarships in their Division I sports (except as noted below), but can operate under most Division I rules in those sports."

Looks like we aren't getting scholarships anytime soon.

 

[MattS]

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Based on the "knowledge we have", there is some confusion between players being late and players not knowing about the meeting in the first place. And I didn't say that because it was 4 of them means it's ok. I said that having 4-5 miss it lends some credibility to the notion that it wasn't a lack of focus but a communication problem. And seeing that one of the reasons stated for suspending the players was that it happened last year also lends credibility to the theory that maybe the team needs to look at how this information is communicated to avoid a recurrence. Because as it stands, the players rightly or wrongly, paid the price. And I think the team did too as our D was not as mobile and our forwards tired at the end of the game and maybe the outcome is different if the players got a warning and played.

I find it very hard to believe that some players knew nothing about, or had the incorrect time to, a team meeting while the vast majority of playes knew. I find it much more likely that said players were lax in getting to the meeting on time then Wilson and the other coaches didn't communicate well about the timing of meeting. Hm, 22-23 players get it correct, 3-4 do not, but it is the coaches fault that the 3-4 screwed up? I don't think so.

And I never said that there was an issue with players missing team meetings in the past. I just said there were "internal issues". So there is no creadibility based upon my statement that there is, or has been, a communication problem between the players and the coaches.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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And the author of the petition's spelling and grammar is almost as bad as Tom's

I had nothing to do with it, and btw I also am not transcribing on the big screen either, so lets just end that now :-D. Good shot though!

The NCAA policy which he or she was referred (I think) more exists on the athletes, there are some protocols they are suppose to follow during the anthem. I remember that being discuss when a Manhattanville Women's basketball player stood with her back to the flag to protest the Iraqi war. It doesn't apply to fans.

 

[LtPowers]

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Iv'e been told we would have to go D1 as a school to get scholarships which i was told requires at least 3 D1 teams. I have been going of off this for a while hoping men's lacrosse makes the jump. But not entirely sure how accurate it is.

As noted, it's all or nothing. Either we elevate the entire program or we stay D-III with non-scholarship D-I hockey.

That said, elevating the athletic program doesn't mean we have to go to D-I. If we moved the entire athletic program to Division II, we would (like Bentley, AIC, Mercyhurst, Ferris State, Bemidji State, etc.) be allowed to offer full D-I scholarships for both men and women (and D-II scholarships for the other sports). The problem with D-II is that there are only a handful of such institutions in Upstate NY, so our other sports would suffer travel- and rivalry-wise.

And, actually, moving to D-II and staying there for a few years is a prerequisite for moving to D-I anyway.


Powers &8^]

 

[RITFan67]

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... like Bentley, AIC, Mercyhurst, Ferris State, Bemidji State, etc.) be allowed to offer full D-I scholarships...

Um, it certainly seems that being able to offer full D1 scholarships does not ensure a better team when you look at the above schools... at least in one case.

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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Looking forward to coming up this weekend and found the now dated (August) article on the RIT News site discussing the Coach York and Coach Wilson and Coach Hills connections quite interesting. I'm sure many of you have read it, neat pictures too.

"Teacher vs. former pupils - Hockey coaches face mentor at homecoming game"

http://www.rit.edu/news/story.php?id=50912

 

[RIT Winters]

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... don't play with our emotions like this.

Safer to assume we will be massacred and then be happily shocked if we win than even begin to think it's a winnable game and go home disappointed!

 

[lmg6841]

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Um, it certainly seems that being able to offer full D1 scholarships does not ensure a better team when you look at the above schools... at least in one case.

I think it's safe to assume AIC took the perspective of "Yeah... okay, let's have a hockey team... but I don't want to pay for it. OH! The AHA is a cost containment league. Perfect."

 

[RITFan67]

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I think it's safe to assume AIC took the perspective of "Yeah... okay, let's have a hockey team... but I don't want to pay for it. OH! The AHA is a cost containment league. Perfect."

Yup!

 

[lmg6841]

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Safer to assume we will be massacred and then be happily shocked if we win than even begin to think it's a winnable game and go home disappointed!

Drink to celebrate, drink to forget. Either way, I'm drinking Saturday!

 

[LtPowers]

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I think it's safe to assume AIC took the perspective of "Yeah... okay, let's have a hockey team... but I don't want to pay for it. OH! The AHA is a cost containment league. Perfect."

That's a bit unfair. They've had hockey longer than RIT has.


Powers &8^]

 

[Schmitty]

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One note - being new to the college game, I was surprised to see Clarkson's pep band at the game and performing in the stands - is that normal? I found it really annoying - especially as they played over announcements and the music at stoppages.

In my time here (fifth-year) Clarkson is the only other band I've seen at RIT, this being their second time here during my RIT career. As a member of the better band in attendance, quite frankly most of us were annoyed by their attempts to play pretty much every whistle break. I hadn't originally heard they had jammed the walkie-talkies though, that's a pretty s--- move.

Clarkson should not have been allowed to bring their pep band...One arena, one band.

Again, agreed.

I thought Ruby was better than MacLean. MacLean got lucky a couple times, and to me the first goal was a bit rough to take. It will be interesting to see who gets the start against BC. I suspect it will be Rotolo getting his "turn".

We got a "I believe that Clarkson's band sucks" cheer going in the Corner Crew. The pep band did not join in though.

Ruby or Rotolo will most likely be getting the nod for the BC game. MacLean's not quite a starter (not that he's awful or anything), but then again I normally say the same about Ruby...personally I think Rotolo is the best of the three, but he'd be in his first start of the season against a national powerhouse with ~3.5x normal attendance, and Ruby had a relatively impressive performance on Friday anyway, even if it was against a lackluster team. And trust me, quite a few of us were keen on participating in the chant, but were prohibited from doing so because "we're not Corner Crew". More administration-encouraged PC crap, frankly.

As far as this weekend goes we need to play physical and smart (a la Friday) and not make as many bad passes or waste too much time with the puck (a la Saturday). Not going to be a cakewalk, but certainly doable. (Four unanswered goals against the wolverines come to mind.)

 

[lmg6841]

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That's a bit unfair. They've had hockey longer than RIT has.


Powers &8^]

Okay, okay. They've been around for 66 years... and they've only had 18 seasons with an above .500 record. I don't think I'm being too unfair.

 

[komey1]

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I don't mind two bands, as long as they are coordinated well. Clarkson's band did not play well. No offense if the DJ reads the boards, but I like hearing the bands.

I think RIT will have a puncher's chance against BC. You never know with hockey sometimes. The team will have to play very well. They can't afford to take penalties, and when BC goes a man down, they have to capitalize.

 

[Rochester]

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I don't mind two bands, as long as they are coordinated well. Clarkson's band did not play well. No offense if the DJ reads the boards, but I like hearing the bands.

I think RIT will have a puncher's chance against BC. You never know with hockey sometimes. The team will have to play very well. They can't afford to take penalties, and when BC goes a man down, they have to capitalize.

Agreed, having a battle of the bands is a bit motivating and exciting. Anyways if a band comes to our barn and sucks, more power for us!

 

[Rochester]

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Will Rotolo play this weekend?

Also will the RIT ATHLETICS youtube upload the hockey highlight videos like they did last year? Those of living overseas have trouble making it to the games!

 

[mar7967]

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@hockeycommits just tweeted, You have a new recruit, Abbot Girduckis (Wellington Dukes) has committed to Rochester Institute of Technology for 2015-2016

http://www.pointstreaksites.com/view/ojhl/news-21/news_181260
Looks like a good offensive player.
2012-2013: 12 goals, 7 asissts for 19 points in 53 games
2013-2014: 14 goals, 34 assists for 48 points in 52 games
2014-2015: 9 goals, 6 assists for 15 points (leads team) through 11 games so far.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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Will Rotolo play this weekend?

Also will the RIT ATHLETICS youtube upload the hockey highlight videos like they did last year? Those of living overseas have trouble making it to the games!

here you go

STL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcutGOi9ql8
CLK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ZeaQkUhCs

 

[Tom Naeger]

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That's a bit unfair. They've had hockey longer than RIT has.


Powers &8^]

The perspective may or may not be accurate, but in effect it reflect reality in todays's AHA. If teams in the east AHA like AIC are not careful I think they will see a break away from many western teams and end up with a small 5 or so team conference with no auto bid...

In my time here (fifth-year) Clarkson is the only other band I've seen at RIT, this being their second time here during my RIT career. As a member of the better band in attendance, quite frankly most of us were annoyed by their attempts to play pretty much every whistle break. I hadn't originally heard they had jammed the walkie-talkies though, that's a pretty s--- move.

I normally like two bands in the arena and have been very critical of Canisius for not allowing RIT's pep band in. The last time Clarkson's band was at the Ritter I remember thinking they were acting more like a cheering section like the corner crew than a pep band. Now this is college hockey, I expect some banter pushing the politically correct line. I do think pep bands needs to mind their actions a little more since they are officially sponsored by their respective team and institution. I did not make this years game, but last time they were here I thought they were guilty of small misdemeanor of class act. But didn't think it was anything to write home about...

 

[mexhockey]

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http://www.pointstreaksites.com/view/ojhl/news-21/news_181260
Looks like a good offensive player.
2012-2013: 12 goals, 7 asissts for 19 points in 53 games
2013-2014: 14 goals, 34 assists for 48 points in 52 games
2014-2015: 9 goals, 6 assists for 15 points (leads team) through 11 games so far.

Actually he had 34 points last year on 14 goals and 20 assists. Still, some offensive upside presumably and looks like he's off to a decent start this year as a 19 year-old. Has decent size too so that might be part of what he brings to the table although based on his PIMs, not overly physical.