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>>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Because you're now a known commodity, which is to say, not very good.
What makes going to a fledgling D-I program who plays in the worst conference in Division I more attractive to a top-tier D-III prospect than just going to a top-tier D-III school with a legitimate shot to win a national title?
Especially since scholarship dollars don't apply in RIT's case.
Because you're now a known commodity, which is to say, not very good.
What makes going to a fledgling D-I program who plays in the worst conference in Division I more attractive to a top-tier D-III prospect than just going to a top-tier D-III school with a legitimate shot to win a national title?
Especially since scholarship dollars don't apply in RIT's case.
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
A 2-1 loss to Brown today....ouch! Not very good for sure. All 3 goals were on the PP for each team.
A 2-1 loss to Brown today....ouch! Not very good for sure. All 3 goals were on the PP for each team.
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Yep too many bad penalties were taken by RIT players. Putting any opposing team on the power play is a dangerous situation for this team right now. Hopefully this is a wake up call to the players they need to keep their composer and play smarter cause any opponent here at the D1 level will beat them otherwise.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
So, are we officially the worst team in the league again this year? I honestly thought De Jonge would salve some of the pain of losing Binnington, but it doesn't seem like any goalie has stepped up yet. And we seem to have no one who can score goals, except maybe Payerl (but only because she takes twice as many shots as anyone else on the team).
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So, are we officially the worst team in the league again this year? I honestly thought De Jonge would salve some of the pain of losing Binnington, but it doesn't seem like any goalie has stepped up yet. And we seem to have no one who can score goals, except maybe Payerl (but only because she takes twice as many shots as anyone else on the team).
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Even Binnington wasn't Binnington right away. It was about this point of her sophomore season that she became the clear primary goaltender and started getting all of the key starts.
ARM
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Last year, RIT went 5-10-1 through the months of November, December, and January, and showed little, if any, sign that it was a few weeks away from the NCAA Tournament. I've learned not to judge the Tigers until all the results are in.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Let them get some more expeirence? Skater-wise, we have 3 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 5 Sophomores, and 8 Freshman. Without looking at past line charts, on Friday and Saturday we played all 8 freshman because of injuries. We have a young team.
Let them get some more expeirence? Skater-wise, we have 3 Seniors, 5 Juniors, 5 Sophomores, and 8 Freshman. Without looking at past line charts, on Friday and Saturday we played all 8 freshman because of injuries. We have a young team.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Every team in this conference is a few weeks away from the NCAA Tournament. It's the nature of the conference. Question is whether you can convince (trick?) top-tier recruits to see the potential for RIT to be a national power.
Hint: In the current format of the school's athletics programs and the conference it plays in, that's a tough sell.
Every team in this conference is a few weeks away from the NCAA Tournament. It's the nature of the conference. Question is whether you can convince (trick?) top-tier recruits to see the potential for RIT to be a national power.
Hint: In the current format of the school's athletics programs and the conference it plays in, that's a tough sell.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Hopefully the coaching staff doesn't resign itself to these same excuses. Experience isn't everything.
Minnesota's national championship-winning team last season had 11 underclassman skaters and 7 upperclassman skaters last season. Eerily similar numbers to the ones you just described regarding RIT.
The natural reply to this comment is "obviously Minnesota is going to get better recruits." Precisely. Is that not the goal? How can/will RIT does this?
Or rather, WILL RIT ever be able to do this?
Hopefully the coaching staff doesn't resign itself to these same excuses. Experience isn't everything.
Minnesota's national championship-winning team last season had 11 underclassman skaters and 7 upperclassman skaters last season. Eerily similar numbers to the ones you just described regarding RIT.
The natural reply to this comment is "obviously Minnesota is going to get better recruits." Precisely. Is that not the goal? How can/will RIT does this?
Or rather, WILL RIT ever be able to do this?
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Without scholarships, I doubt RIT will ever be able to get the caliber of recruits that Minnesota gets.
Without scholarships, I doubt RIT will ever be able to get the caliber of recruits that Minnesota gets.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Then what's the solution? Is there one? Does there need to be one?
Then what's the solution? Is there one? Does there need to be one?
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Not just Minnesota but MANY other teams are and will continue to be chosen over RIT by the better recruits. I don't think you'll ever see any U18 type of players choosing RIT anytime soon.
"This program's issues go far beyond the crease."
I'm interested to know more specifically what you mean by this. I know one of the issues is you can't rule by fear year after year and not expect it to bite you in the a** at some point in time. You can only fool people for so long. I think this program's best days are behind them and that we are seeing the beginning of the end to this program's current coach.
Not just Minnesota but MANY other teams are and will continue to be chosen over RIT by the better recruits. I don't think you'll ever see any U18 type of players choosing RIT anytime soon.
"This program's issues go far beyond the crease."
I'm interested to know more specifically what you mean by this. I know one of the issues is you can't rule by fear year after year and not expect it to bite you in the a** at some point in time. You can only fool people for so long. I think this program's best days are behind them and that we are seeing the beginning of the end to this program's current coach.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
Didn't mean to imply I have an inside knowledge of anything. By "beyond the crease" I just meant all the things we already know as far as no scholarships, etc., that we've already talked about.
Perhaps the prospect of "going D-I soon" is what landed Scotty all those top-tier D-III players all those years? Maybe, maybe not. I'd say probably not. Program was well-enough established already.
But what those girls didn't know is that they were better than any recruits Scotty would get as a D-I coach, not just a D-III coach milking the promise of going D-I to try to sway recruits. Those 2009-2012 RIT teams would likely beat the current version. I know that's the elephant in the room that no one is allowed to mention, but most people with non-biased logic will know top D-III programs are just as good, if not better, than low-level D-I schools.
So top-tier D-III players — at least the ones who have admitted to themselves that playing competitive hockey is more important to them than just saying "Hey, I play D-I hockey!" — will go to top-tier D-III schools. Legitimate D-I players will go to legitimate D-I programs.
The rest? They'll go to RIT, Lindenwood, Union, Brown, etc., etc. etc. And it's a cycle that sees little chance of changing.
Didn't mean to imply I have an inside knowledge of anything. By "beyond the crease" I just meant all the things we already know as far as no scholarships, etc., that we've already talked about.
Perhaps the prospect of "going D-I soon" is what landed Scotty all those top-tier D-III players all those years? Maybe, maybe not. I'd say probably not. Program was well-enough established already.
But what those girls didn't know is that they were better than any recruits Scotty would get as a D-I coach, not just a D-III coach milking the promise of going D-I to try to sway recruits. Those 2009-2012 RIT teams would likely beat the current version. I know that's the elephant in the room that no one is allowed to mention, but most people with non-biased logic will know top D-III programs are just as good, if not better, than low-level D-I schools.
So top-tier D-III players — at least the ones who have admitted to themselves that playing competitive hockey is more important to them than just saying "Hey, I play D-I hockey!" — will go to top-tier D-III schools. Legitimate D-I players will go to legitimate D-I programs.
The rest? They'll go to RIT, Lindenwood, Union, Brown, etc., etc. etc. And it's a cycle that sees little chance of changing.
Very well stated. Agree 100%.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
I'm going to disagree with this.
The caliber of play in D-I is clearly better than it was in D-III. The skaters are faster and more skilled. Some of this can be attributed to improved conditioning and training, but I have a hard time believing that's all of it.
Certainly, there probably are many marginal D-I players deciding to play D-III instead. But I think even a low-level D-I team has better depth, top to bottom, than a top D-III team. A D-III team could win a few games but would not fare well over the course of a full season.
As a top-tier D-III program, we played D-I teams occasionally. How many did we win? I know we had one against Robert Morris, but RoMo was an infant program at the time.
Powers &8^]
I'm going to disagree with this.
The caliber of play in D-I is clearly better than it was in D-III. The skaters are faster and more skilled. Some of this can be attributed to improved conditioning and training, but I have a hard time believing that's all of it.
Certainly, there probably are many marginal D-I players deciding to play D-III instead. But I think even a low-level D-I team has better depth, top to bottom, than a top D-III team. A D-III team could win a few games but would not fare well over the course of a full season.
As a top-tier D-III program, we played D-I teams occasionally. How many did we win? I know we had one against Robert Morris, but RoMo was an infant program at the time.
Powers &8^]
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
So top-tier D-III players — at least the ones who have admitted to themselves that playing competitive hockey is more important to them than just saying "Hey, I play D-I hockey!" — will go to top-tier D-III schools. Legitimate D-I players will go to legitimate D-I programs.
NYI- you are blissfully naive. Some players actually go for the education. They understand the NHL isn't an option in life. Secondly, even the low level D1 would routinely handle the top end D3 teams. For all the reasons LtPowers mentioned. Granted the lower level teams don't have the depth of a Minnesota or BC or Wisconsin but there are several D1 level players on each of those teams. As far as competitive hockey, they play the those D1 one teams and don't hide in D3 to win a trophy to say we are the best. They get it, it's the education not the promise of a National Title. In reality in the Women's hockey world there is one Champ and no one remembers 2-34. So get the education and enjoy the journey.
So top-tier D-III players — at least the ones who have admitted to themselves that playing competitive hockey is more important to them than just saying "Hey, I play D-I hockey!" — will go to top-tier D-III schools. Legitimate D-I players will go to legitimate D-I programs.
NYI- you are blissfully naive. Some players actually go for the education. They understand the NHL isn't an option in life. Secondly, even the low level D1 would routinely handle the top end D3 teams. For all the reasons LtPowers mentioned. Granted the lower level teams don't have the depth of a Minnesota or BC or Wisconsin but there are several D1 level players on each of those teams. As far as competitive hockey, they play the those D1 one teams and don't hide in D3 to win a trophy to say we are the best. They get it, it's the education not the promise of a National Title. In reality in the Women's hockey world there is one Champ and no one remembers 2-34. So get the education and enjoy the journey.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers: Going for another successful CHA title defense (15-16)
I could have written that response. I knew that was coming.
So first it's "WINNING PROGRAM!! YEAH!!" until the program isn't doing so great, and then it's "WE'RE BUILDING. WE'RE D-I. IT'LL BE FINE!!!" until there's no light at the end of the tunnel and it turns into "IT'S FOR THE EDUCATION!"
You're right. Girls who play D-III don't care about their education. Degrees from D-III schools don't mean nearly as much.
Whatever's convenient
I could have written that response. I knew that was coming.
So first it's "WINNING PROGRAM!! YEAH!!" until the program isn't doing so great, and then it's "WE'RE BUILDING. WE'RE D-I. IT'LL BE FINE!!!" until there's no light at the end of the tunnel and it turns into "IT'S FOR THE EDUCATION!"
You're right. Girls who play D-III don't care about their education. Degrees from D-III schools don't mean nearly as much.
Whatever's convenient