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>>> RIT Tigers 2018/2019 - Time For The Tigers to Roar <<<

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The pre-season AHA coach's poll placed RIT in 7th. The USCHO columnists picked RIT to finish 7th or 8th.

RIT is currently in 7th place at the mid point of the season.

Can you explain to me how that "is way below expectations both on the ice and in the standings, "?

Maybe it "is way below" your personal expectations, and is certainly "way below" what most RIT fans hoped for, particularly after a good start to the season.

But to say they are "way below expectations both on the ice and in the standings" is just not supported by the facts.

I think the USCHO columnists and the Atlantic Hockey coaches pre-season coaches poll shows just how far this iteration of the team has fallen. We are no longer the premier program in the conference (along with Air Force) if you actually measure with recent on-ice results. Canisius, Mercyhurst, and Robert Morris have all been clearly better in results over the 4 years (well, 3.5) of the current senior class, even including their freshman tournament win, and you could make an argument that Army is above us too, although it's a more difficult argument to make without a regular season or conference championship to their name (it will become much easier to make next year if RIT doesn't turn it around this year and make some noise in the postseason).

It's really no surprise that the drop has made fans who have become used to at the very minimum being those schools equals a little ornery, especially when it's the constant home losses to schools that tend to reside at the bottom of the conference that trigger it, and when we actually play the above schools we still tend to show we still belong on the same ice as them. I don't have time to look it up, but I'd wager our record against the 5 schools I mentioned above is actually better than against the other 5 schools.

If "expectations" around the program are to finish in the bottom half of Atlantic Hockey, I'd argue that's evidence the program needs a shakeup.


Speaking of last night's game, a tie is fine as long as they get a result out of tonight. They can go 2-0-1 over the 3 game series with Niagara or even 1-0-2 to some extent and it'd be a positive result overall. If sweeping a two game series is difficult, what does that make sweeping a 3 game series? 4 or 5 points over 3 games is a fine record, especially against a team that started out relatively strong in conference. Get positive results over two game sets (not necessarily sweeps) for the rest of the season and they'll climb up the standings and have a good chance at a bye.

I was confident Drackett would be the starter yesterday, and am still relatively sure that he will start tonight despite the poor (statistical) game last night, but another couple of outings like that and all bets are off. We continue to have problems scoring goals when we get good goaltending/defense, and trouble preventing goals when we go on an offensive burst.

EDIT: I got time and did a quick looksee. All of this is including playoff games. Against Air Force, they are 2-10-1, so Air Force has certainly asserted their dominance as the class of the conference. Against the next 4 teams I mentioned above (Canisius, Robert Morris, Army, and Mercyhurst - who have the next 4 highest winning percentages in conference over the senior classes careers), they are 24-16-2. Against the bottom 5 teams of the conference over that time (and in actuality Holy Cross is slightly actually above us in winning %, but our conference championship certainly gives us the edge over them) we are just 25-22-5, and we're 12-18-2 at home against those teams. Sure, the bottom of the league is (significantly) better than it used to be, but that's not good enough.
 
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My position as a national college hockey journalist for two decades gives me a perspective on the game overall.

The team gets criticized during our broadcasts when bad plays are made. A bad pass and a bad penalty last night were the difference and we called those out.



You've just defined a fair-weather fan and made my point.

Sorry bud, but tickets aren't 5 bucks anymore and the Tigers aren't the only mediocre hockey team in town. I still listen to most of the games or watch the pirated streams (Rip excellent sportznet stream) , and when I can't do that I at least keep up on Twitter and I spend far too much time on this thread, clearly. You can call it what you want, validation from you is not important to me.

I am bitterly disappointed in how this team has performed over the past three years and I'm not going to apologize for that.
 
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For all we complain, at least we're not Niagara. Even if there are signs they're a little better than they've been in the recent past, this is a team that would be horrified by the idea of being Atlantic Hockey bottom feeders when they moved into the conference. The senior class for them is a combined 25-62-12. And I was not particularly impressed by the two games I saw from them.

And good lord that was an own goal to end all own goals.
 
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For all we complain, at least we're not Niagara. Even if there are signs they're a little better than they've been in the recent past, this is a team that would be horrified by the idea of being Atlantic Hockey bottom feeders when they moved into the conference. The senior class for them is a combined 25-62-12. And I was not particularly impressed by the two games I saw from them.

And good lord that was an own goal to end all own goals.

True, but remember that a Niagara team with 3 wins to their name on the season knocked us out of the Atlantic Hockey playoffs that year.

Tight race in the AHC with the results this weekend, if RIT can return to October form there's no reason we shouldn't earn a bye. If they return to November/December form...hey, we all make the playoffs, right?
 
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For all we complain, at least we're not Niagara. Even if there are signs they're a little better than they've been in the recent past, this is a team that would be horrified by the idea of being Atlantic Hockey bottom feeders when they moved into the conference. The senior class for them is a combined 25-62-12. And I was not particularly impressed by the two games I saw from them.

And good lord that was an own goal to end all own goals.

Drackett almost made a similar play earlier in the game. Luckily he got it. A huge win for RIT to get them to where 3 and 4 point weekends move the team up in the standings.

I would agree that I think RIT is better than Niagara based on the games at the Ritter and now have the tiebreaker against them should it be needed in playoff seedings. Yet, Niagara is also in 3rd place. RIT will play at AIC next, who if they win their Tuesday game will be in first place in the league. Lang looks to be a great up and comer as a coach the way that program has turned around. RIT swept them at the Ritter.

Canisius swept North Dakota, and RIT beat them Canisius.
Boston College has not WON a non-conference game in a couple years (have had ties).

There are no more doormats in the NCAA (MAYBE UAH?) and anyone can beat anyone. That is why I love this game.
 
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What is missing in the discussion here on AHA Coaches is the reality that most coaches face coaching in the AHA. For the longest time the AHA was a cost containment league with many programs that seem just happy to be here. You had two teams playing in Community rinks, one other renting from a D-III school. League has come a long way and the coaches deserve a lot of credit. It started with the dream of Holy Cross beating Minnesota, Air Force than started to have more success in the Tournament, then RIT blasted it's way to the Frozen Four. Just about every NCAA Tournament game in recent memory that involved an AHA team has been very close games. Some quotes about the coaching here are just uninformed at best.

I think what some people are forgetting too is that the RIT Team with the MGM line was really close to going to the Frozen Four. If you actually watched the game against UNO, RIT dominated and just could not score. UNO got one and then added I think it was 2 empty nets, if the Tigers just got one goal in that game I think they would have been in the Frozen Four again.

Not a bad, but crazy weekend for the Tigers. Need to the 5 out of 6 points they got from Niagara. Next weekend will be key, AIC has been playing very well and would just love to pay them back for the sweep in Rochester. Tigers need at least 2 points a weekend for the rest of the year...
 
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Another thing I find funny is that when RIT and Air Force were dominating the league, several fans wanted the other Atlantic Hockey teams to step up. Now they have done so and it's hard for anyone to dominate the league like in years past.
 
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Drackett almost made a similar play earlier in the game. Luckily he got it. A huge win for RIT to get them to where 3 and 4 point weekends move the team up in the standings.

I would agree that I think RIT is better than Niagara based on the games at the Ritter and now have the tiebreaker against them should it be needed in playoff seedings. Yet, Niagara is also in 3rd place. RIT will play at AIC next, who if they win their Tuesday game will be in first place in the league. Lang looks to be a great up and comer as a coach the way that program has turned around. RIT swept them at the Ritter.

Canisius swept North Dakota, and RIT beat them Canisius.
Boston College has not WON a non-conference game in a couple years (have had ties).

There are no more doormats in the NCAA (MAYBE UAH?) and anyone can beat anyone. That is why I love this game.


Whipping a puck from behind the goal line off of the goaltender's stick/pads and in is nowhere near as uncommon as what happened at the end of the game yesterday. I've seen that happen probably hundreds of times through my life over different levels of hockey. I don't think I've ever seen a defenseman try to knock a pass traveling away from the net like that away with no one around, and have it perfectly deflect off of his stick and over the goaltender. It looked like he was caught in between two minds of what to do, and ended up caught between and perfectly deflected the puck past the goaltender.

Also, using BC's non-conference win streak to claim there are no bottom feeders is rather disingenuous. BC plays an extremely strong non-conference schedule every year. Only one of those losses was to an Atlantic Hockey team (Bentley, this year), and it came after the streak had already kind of taken on a life of its own. Here's the list of teams BC has lost/tied to:

2018-19:
St. Cloud State (RPI: 2)
Wisconsin (RPI: 25) *Ranked 12th at the time of the series
Quinnipiac (RPI: 5)
Bentley (RPI: 56)*
Notre Dame (RPI: 7)
Arizona State (RPI: 10)

2017-18:
Wisconsin (RPI: 26) *Ranked 10th at the time of the game
Quinnipiac (RPI: 32) *Ranked 14th at the time of the game
St. Cloud State (RPI: 1)
Denver (RPI: 5) *Ranked 1st at time of the game, and eventual national champions
Harvard (RPI: 28) *1 Beanpot Game, 1 regular NC game
Michigan Tech (RPI: 23)
Northern Michigan (RPI: 20)
Northeastern (RPI: 9) *Beanpot Game

2016-17: (RPI is hard to find for two years ago)
Northeastern *Beanpot Game
Boston U. (Ranked 3rd, Beanpot Game)
Quinnipiac (Ranked 14th at time of game)
Ferris State *Probably the 2nd worst team they played during the streak, and it was a tie. They were also ranked at the start of the year)
North Dakota (Ranked 9th at time of game)
Minnesota (Ranked 11th at time of game)
Harvard (Ranked 11th at time of game)

The only team on this list you could possibly call a "bottom feeder" is Bentley, and I would wager if those teams played 10 more times, BC would win 9 of them.

A sport with "no bottom feeders" would not have an entire conference with a winning percentage hovering around .250 in non-conference games. That suggests a conference relatively full of bottom feeders with an occasional upset, not nation-wide parity.
 
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I get it - BC plays a tough game out of their league. However, they won 0 and they are considered a national power. You would think they would win some of those game.
 
I get it - BC plays a tough game out of their league. However, they won 0 and they are considered a national power. You would think they would win some of those game.

Sure. That has nothing to do with whether there are "bottom feeders" in college hockey. Traditional powers having relative down periods isn't exactly unprecedented. I think at some level BC's streak illustrates that the Big 10 and the NCHC are the big dogs conference wise in college hockey these days. And again, shifting of power among conferences isn't exactly a new phenomenon, especially after a significant re-alignment.
 
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I get it - BC plays a tough game out of their league. However, they won 0 and they are considered a national power. You would think they would win some of those game.

They were the regular season champs of Hockey East last season. Regardless of your out of conference schedule, that is a pretty impressive feat considering how many great teams are in that conference.
 
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They were the regular season champs of Hockey East last season. Regardless of your out of conference schedule, that is a pretty impressive feat considering how many great teams are in that conference.

And are in first place in HEA this season so far as well. They had better hope they can pull an HEA tournament championship out of their butts this season or it might be two straight years on the outside looking in at the NCAA's.
 
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I think what some people are forgetting too is that the RIT Team with the MGM line was really close to going to the Frozen Four. If you actually watched the game against UNO, RIT dominated and just could not score. UNO got one and then added I think it was 2 empty nets, if the Tigers just got one goal in that game I think they would have been in the Frozen Four again.
Yes, RIT played their asses off in that game. I remember the announcers comparing them to waterbugs and wondering if they would ever go away while they were at 0-0 and even 1-0. At least, that was, until... Unfortunately, as soon as they gave up that second goal with 4:24 left, it all changed. They suddenly started pressing instead of sticking with what was working (except for actual scoring, of course). Shortly thereafter, (a little more than a minute) and after a UNO timeout, they gave up a breakaway goal to fall behind 3-0. That was followed by the one ENG less than a minute later. It just wasn't in the cards for them to score that night regardless of how many great chances they got. Massa was awesome that night, but they really should have been able to bury a few of those chances. It's not like they were playing against Patrick Roy or anything.
 
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Another thing I find funny is that when RIT and Air Force were dominating the league, several fans wanted the other Atlantic Hockey teams to step up. Now they have done so and it's hard for anyone to dominate the league like in years past.

Technically, RIT only dominated this conference once, in 2010. Although one may argue they did again in the 2011 regular season, but losing in the tournament puts a wet blanket over that. They won the tournament in 2015 and 2016, but were far from dominant through those regular seasons. They just played their best for a couple weekends when it mattered most.
 
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For all we complain, at least we're not Niagara. Even if there are signs they're a little better than they've been in the recent past, this is a team that would be horrified by the idea of being Atlantic Hockey bottom feeders when they moved into the conference. The senior class for them is a combined 25-62-12. And I was not particularly impressed by the two games I saw from them.

Much of their recent struggles can be attributed to an epic rash of injuries for a few years. That being said, you can only use that excuse to a point.
I would hazard a guess that their recruiting efforts took a hit once they did finally cave in and join AHA. Not being able to tell recruits that they have their sights set on bigger things than the CHA anymore certainly isn't helping.
 
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The pre-season AHA coach's poll placed RIT in 7th. The USCHO columnists picked RIT to finish 7th or 8th.

RIT is currently in 7th place at the mid point of the season.

Can you explain to me how that "is way below expectations both on the ice and in the standings, "?
I can't speak for Winters, but am guessing he was speaking of many of the fans' expectations of the program in general, not so much relative to the prognostications for just one season. Just the fact that they were picked to finish that low is below expectations to begin with. If we ever reach the point where the fan base is ok with such pre-season poll numbers or end-of-season results on a regular basis, then there is cause for concern. That's not to say there can't ever be down times in a program. That would be ridiculous. It's just disheartening when it sounds like there is some level of acceptance of performance at that level.
I can't believe that RIT Hockey made the move to D-I to wallow in the middle-to-low end of the pack in the worst conference around. It's just below the program's standards.
I know I sound like an old guy when I go back to this, but as great as being in D-I is, a part of me remains (and may always be) nostalgic for the days when RIT's name in D-III meant something and they contended for national rankings with the possibility of playing for a National Championship more often than not. That is non-existent and will remain so indefinitely at D-I.
 
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I can't speak for Winters, but am guessing he was speaking of many of the fans' expectations of the program in general, not so much relative to the prognostications for just one season. Just the fact that they were picked to finish that low is below expectations to begin with. If we ever reach the point where the fan base is ok with such pre-season poll numbers or end-of-season results on a regular basis, then there is cause for concern. That's not to say there can't ever be down times in a program. That would be ridiculous. It's just disheartening when it sounds like there is some level of acceptance of performance at that level.
I can't believe that RIT Hockey made the move to D-I to wallow in the middle-to-low end of the pack in the worst conference around. It's just below the program's standards.
I know I sound like an old guy when I go back to this, but as great as being in D-I is, a part of me remains (and may always be) nostalgic for the days when RIT's name in D-III meant something and they contended for national rankings with the possibility of playing for a National Championship more often than not. That is non-existent and will remain so indefinitely at D-I.

I guess you blocked out those last couple years of DIII where the team was a bit below standards where they didn't win anything. The only reason the streak of every 4 year player winning a regular season or conference tournament title is the first year in Atlantic Hockey. Granted, I love the DIII days and the great rivalries and success, but it wasn't always great hockey.

I don't think anyone is happy that the preseason picks have put RIT so low. Expectations should always be fairly high. But we do need to keep in mind that there can be down periods. I don't concern myself as much with preseaon picks - as they are guesses and really mean nothing. As fans, we can't do anything about on ice performance. I don't know anyone who is ok with performance at a less than expected performance. However, there isn't anything we can do about it.
 
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