What's new
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

>>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

I'm guessing (completely) that they started the BCH game as a GA event "back in the day" (up to and including 2009) when there was absolutely no chance the game was going to sell out and 5,000 was a good crowd. GA made perfect sense for those games (easier to sell tickets, plenty of empty seats to pick from), but it seems they were a few years behind the curve to switch it to at least a partially reserved seat event. After 2009 when they drew by far their largest crowd (7,000+ ?, I can't remember the exact number) and then drew much fanfare with their FF run later that same season, that would have been the time to see the imminent sell-outs coming and make the change. So it took them 2010, 2011, and 2012 to figure out that this event is likely to be at or near capacity for the foreseeable future. At least they figured it out eventually.

And for the record, I'm not about calling you names or trying to make you look bad. I was just participating in a healthy debate.

I also tend to favor reserved seat events due to security/safety issues. Not that there is any comparison at all between too many people saving seats at a hockey game and a violent event at a soccer game or concert, but... many of us do remember the Who concert in Cincinnati.

You'd think that they could do a compromise, make the good seats reserved (between the blue lines, behind the goals, boxes), and then gen-ad for the corners.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

It would stand to reason that there is at least GA seating for the corner crew area. However I have no evidence to support this being the case, and the one person of authority I mentioned this concern to basically said "yeah I sure hope they thought about that".

"They" in this case is Alumni Relations, as they run the Brick City event as opposed to athletics who runs any other regular season game.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

You'd think that they could do a compromise, make the good seats reserved (between the blue lines, behind the goals, boxes), and then gen-ad for the corners.
They could, but when you mix it too much then you have to rely on the ushers to enforce it. And anyone who knows how hard the ushers at Rochester pro sporting events work know that would be a concern to say the least. There would be a ton of GA ticket holders not realizing which sections are GA (or not even knowing the whole arena isn't GA) perching themselves in reserved seats until the actual seat holders arrive, then having to go to where the actual GA seats are to find whatever scraps are left. I could see that being a hassle.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

It would stand to reason that there is at least GA seating for the corner crew area. However I have no evidence to support this being the case, and the one person of authority I mentioned this concern to basically said "yeah I sure hope they thought about that".

"They" in this case is Alumni Relations, as they run the Brick City event as opposed to athletics who runs any other regular season game.
But even if they somehow forgot and didn't give the Corner Crew GA, the Crew could essentially take it upon themselves to make their section into GA if they wanted to (as long as they all managed to get tickets in their section(s), that is).
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

They could, but when you mix it too much then you have to rely on the ushers to enforce it. And anyone who knows how hard the ushers at Rochester pro sporting events work know that would be a concern to say the least. There would be a ton of GA ticket holders not realizing which sections are GA (or not even knowing the whole arena isn't GA) perching themselves in reserved seats until the actual seat holders arrive, then having to go to where the actual GA seats are to find whatever scraps are left. I could see that being a hassle.

You're telling me they couldn't spend a few bucks to put some signs up at the entrances to state that general admission for this event is at the following sections? Obviously we could argue the ends that didn't see the sign until the cows come home, but if you make it fairly conspicuous, it'd be a much easier way to get out the message.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

You're telling me they couldn't spend a few bucks to put some signs up at the entrances to state that general admission for this event is at the following sections? Obviously we could argue the ends that didn't see the sign until the cows come home, but if you make it fairly conspicuous, it'd be a much easier way to get out the message.

Print the tickets with specific section and seat #'s for reserved, and just section # for GA.

No matter how dummy-proof you try to make it, somebody will get confused and complain.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

I don't think I'm the one who looks the worst in this whole argument. It might be the people saying "I want reserved seats so I can waltz into the arena whenever I want".




Conveniently there's a hockey game going on during those three hours that I can watch.


Powers &8^]

Believe it or not even some of us "die hard" fans have a life outside of RIT hockey...

Its one game. You know there are a ton of students sections around college athletics that deal with assigned seating just fine. It did not seem to hurt the corner crew at the frozen for in Detroit. I truly feel sorry for people whose life is now ruin because RIT Hockey has achieved so much success that Reserved seating is required to accommodate the growth of the fan base. I can at least offer you tickets to a Brockport, Genny, or Naz general admission game...
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

I think the lack of any reserved seating has hurt RIT in terms of attendance, especially for non-students. Those fans rarely can get to a game the seemingly requisite hour and a half ahead of time to get a seat - especially at the Ritter. Try to bring a young kid to the game without a seat. That doesn't fly with most parents - and hey the parents want to sit too.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

I think the lack of any reserved seating has hurt RIT in terms of attendance, especially for non-students. Those fans rarely can get to a game the seemingly requisite hour and a half ahead of time to get a seat - especially at the Ritter. Try to bring a young kid to the game without a seat. That doesn't fly with most parents - and hey the parents want to sit too.

Doesn't Ritter have a few sections of reserved seating? I seem to remember that when RPI played there, and it may have been around 5-10% capacity as reserved, but how quickly does that fill? Perhaps add a little more? Maybe as a market test for when your new rink is built? Not sure if they're planning for all of that to be gen-ad...
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

No matter how dummy-proof you try to make it, somebody will get confused and complain.
That is pretty much what I was thinking. All the signs in the world don't seem to matter to some people. Heck, the highways are littered with Speed Limit signs that only a small percentage of drivers actually pay any attention to (I know... not the same thing... but it sounded good :)).
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

Doesn't Ritter have a few sections of reserved seating? I seem to remember that when RPI played there, and it may have been around 5-10% capacity as reserved, but how quickly does that fill? Perhaps add a little more? Maybe as a market test for when your new rink is built? Not sure if they're planning for all of that to be gen-ad...
Yes, they do have reserved in the four corner sections at the South end. Surprisingly (or maybe not, depending on your perspective) enough, they don't always fill up. Some games they are just as full as the GA, but at more than a few, there were a number of unoccupied seats. I'm sure some of those are sold but not used while a few are actually not sold. But for the price difference, I can't imagine someone coming all the way to the box office, finding out there are no GA tickets left, and refusing to pay the extra for a reserved. Of course since there were a number of games that didn't sell out this past season, there may have been no need to buy reserved due to GA not being available. Usually by the time the first period is well underway, a large majority of the reserved seats are taken. Before the game, however, the GA seats are overfilled while the reserved are about half to 2/3 capacity. The ushers there have their hands full of unknowing GA ticket holders attempting to gravitate to obviously empty seats. The lack of reserved walk up sales is probably partially due to what komey referenced. Ritter is well known for not having good seats for a family or whomever doesn't want to stand for 2+ hours unless you show up considerably early. The only people that come to the box office for walk up ticket sales are students and others who not only don't mind, but plan on standing for the whole game. Those fans won't pay the extra for reserved seats unless they absolutely have to. The kinds of fans they'll need to start attracting for the new arena are the types that would prefer reserved seats (and can afford to pay for them). Hopefully the price difference won't be too great. It would be a shame to even think of pricing any of the existing fan base out of the games.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

I am extremely disappointed in President Destler for the lack of hype about this new arena. Downsize after downsize and still no official word on what it will look like... One rendering sure... I have a feeling there will never be more renderings put out until she opens.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

Is there going to be anything about the arena today at ImagineRIT? Display with renderings overlooking the construction? Opportunity to "take a seat", etc. I have no idea, but if not it is a huge opportunity lost.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

Is there going to be anything about the arena today at ImagineRIT? Display with renderings overlooking the construction? Opportunity to "take a seat", etc. I have no idea, but if not it is a huge opportunity lost.

There was some stuff at the Alumni Oasis -- sample seats (both vinyl and cloth, with a couple of different seatback heights), some incentives for donating (though not specifically for the Power Play), and a couple of trinkets advertising the power play. No renderings that I saw.


Powers &8^]
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

Is there going to be anything about the arena today at ImagineRIT? Display with renderings overlooking the construction? Opportunity to "take a seat", etc. I have no idea, but if not it is a huge opportunity lost.

ImagineRIT isn't really the place for it. It's an innovation and creativity festival, neither of which does the Polisseni center really fit into. Maybe once there's enough of a building there to do tours through..but right now there's nothing new to share or show, and people don't come to Imagine for hockey.

There was some stuff at the Alumni Oasis -- sample seats (both vinyl and cloth, with a couple of different seatback heights), some incentives for donating (though not specifically for the Power Play), and a couple of trinkets advertising the power play. No renderings that I saw.
Powers &8^]

This is pretty much standard of late. I would expect that more details would emerge as the next hockey season comes to be. They are going to do a lot around it being Ritter's last season, and I'm sure some they will be including the Polisseni center in that celebration.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

ImagineRIT isn't really the place for it. It's an innovation and creativity festival, neither of which does the Polisseni center really fit into. Maybe once there's enough of a building there to do tours through..but right now there's nothing new to share or show, and people don't come to Imagine for hockey.

The funding model for the arena is "innovative"!

You do realize that one of the most popular "exhibits" every year involves free ice cream. The festival is simply about exposing people to RIT (and vice versa).

The festival is a giant PR piece for RIT (and a wonderful one) that happens to draw tens of thousands each year and is thoroughly enjoyed/anticipated by many. It is a huge mistake to not showcase one of the biggest projects on campus so that excited people could go home and consider donating if they wanted. I agree with many that the festival itself should not become an outright beg-fest, but that is the way it is often used. Big donors and prospects do get "special" treatment, etc.

All I was suggesting was something as simple as some cool renderings in Fireside overlooking the site with a link/brochures for the power play/take a seat and the seats to check out. Maybe they could have had some hockey game for kids next to it with some of the players. Who knows. It sounds like they did a little of this, but not much. My family didn't notice anything. How hard are these ideas to come up with? Hmmm ... they must be innovative and creative. ;)
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

The funding model for the arena is "innovative"!

You do realize that one of the most popular "exhibits" every year involves free ice cream. The festival is simply about exposing people to RIT (and vice versa).

The festival is a giant PR piece for RIT (and a wonderful one) that happens to draw tens of thousands each year and is thoroughly enjoyed/anticipated by many. It is a huge mistake to not showcase one of the biggest projects on campus so that excited people could go home and consider donating if they wanted. I agree with many that the festival itself should not become an outright beg-fest, but that is the way it is often used. Big donors and prospects do get "special" treatment, etc.

All I was suggesting was something as simple as some cool renderings in Fireside overlooking the site with a link/brochures for the power play/take a seat and the seats to check out. Maybe they could have had some hockey game for kids next to it with some of the players. Who knows. It sounds like they did a little of this, but not much. My family didn't notice anything. How hard are these ideas to come up with? Hmmm ... they must be innovative and creative. ;)

So, a father brings his son to the Innovation Center a few years back around Imagine, his son gets to fly a quad copter using gesturing via Xbox Kinnect. Father writes a check shortly thereafter; and not just a little check either.

The moral of the story is......you never knows who's going to show up with their check book in hand and find a worthy cause to give to.
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

ImagineRIT isn't really the place for it. It's an innovation and creativity festival, neither of which does the Polisseni center really fit into. Maybe once there's enough of a building there to do tours through..but right now there's nothing new to share or show, and people don't come to Imagine for hockey.

I tend to disagree. The new arena shouldn't be a focus of Imagine, but a presence still would have been a good idea. The building of this new arena should be, in the RIT sports world, a huge deal and be promoted at any venue available. There is nothing new to share or show because RIT is not actively promoting it. It's a lost opportunity.

My pessimist side is coming out on this whole deal. I think the new arena is going to be a shadow of what the original renderings were. And, in the 20+ years I have been an RIT supporter (all things not just sports) it has been a long time since I have seen a more bungled mess than the promotion and fundraising (Are they still doing any?) for the arena.
 
Last edited:
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

I unfortunately am coming to agree, Matt. It's especially baffling because of Destler's prior fundraising success at UM.


Powers &8^]
 
Re: >>> RIT Tigers - 2013 Offseason: The Future Looks Bright <<<

When some of the most passionate fans of RIT hockey don't know if fundraising is really going on, or what's happening (not to mention members of the so-called athletic association), then there is a problem.

I think RIT is going to end up footing a much more significant chunk of the arena than planned. I hope that is the case, rather than cutting it to a bare bones arena.
 
Back
Top