Resting the starters in the NFL

[JF_Gophers]

Re: Resting the starters in the NFL

It's late in the first quarter and the Saints scored their third touchdown - their chemistry and timing seem to be fine.

One team doing well does not negate the fact that not playing/resting for 2-3 weeks can/will cause your team problems. Since there is plenty of times when the resting team has lost.

Plus, who cares if you didn't get hurt in week 17 if you aren't playing after the first playoff game?

 

[gregg729]

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One team doing well does not negate the fact that not playing/resting for 2-3 weeks can/will cause your team problems. Since there is plenty of times when the resting team has lost.

Plus, who cares if you didn't get hurt in week 17 if you aren't playing after the first playoff game?

Well I think you should notify the NFL's head coaches and tell them what they're doing wrong.

do away with wild cards... you need to win your division to make the playoffs. if you still want 6 teams in, expand to 36 teams and have 6 3-team divisions in each conference.

don't award home field by w-l record. award by "winning streak", and if tied, "point differential". ....now teams will want to win and want to WIN

Lumbergh voice: Yeah.... I'm just gonna go ahead and rank this idea right up there with Smykowski's "Jump to Conclusions Mat," mmmmkay?

 

[mookie1995]

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Lumbergh voice: Yeah.... I'm just gonna go ahead and rank this idea right up there with Smykowski's "Jump to Conclusions Mat," mmmmkay?

well, then expand the season to 18 games, but cut it from the postseason instead of the exhibition season. everyone plays the extra two games (revenue) and only 4 teams make the playoffs - the two division winners (8 team divisions) from each conference. bring back some of the excitement that baseball blew off by eliminating inter-conference games outside the super bowl.

 

[gregg729]

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well, then expand the season to 18 games, but cut it from the postseason instead of the exhibition season. everyone plays the extra two games (revenue) and only 4 teams make the playoffs - the two division winners (8 team divisions) from each conference. bring back some of the excitement that baseball blew off by eliminating inter-conference games outside the super bowl.

Only 4 teams in the playoffs? That's even worse, IMO. One thing that bugs the hell out of me in baseball is that, with 25 or 30 games left (or 15-20% of the season), only 1/3 to 1/4 of the teams have any hope of making the playoffs. I'd like to see MLB cut the regular season by 10 or 15 games and add another playoff round to get more teams into the postseason, but that's another matter entirely. The NFL regular season/postseason format about as good as you can ask for.

Changing the entire playoff structure just to induce Manning and Brees back into the field for the second have of week 17 is way, way over the top.

Anyway.... so are you playing devil's advocate, or are you saying you're in favor of taking action to force the starters onto the field in games where a loss doesn't affect the team in any way? What about you, JF?

One of the reasons for starting this post was to see if anyone at all thinks this is a good idea?

 

[mookie1995]

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it's iffy...

it hurts other teams (stillers this year) to let certain teams get free passes to wins and a playoff spot (jets). but if the stillers didn't lose the the freaking browns/chiefs/raiders, they wouldn't have been in that spot.

suxs to have bought tickets to see peyton if youre a bills fan. but then again it suxs to live in buffalo (sorry shrader ). so you're screwed to begin with.

fantasy playoffs.... don't give a rats azz.

vegas? they make lines accordingly. so if peeps need to bet they still can.

the goal is to win the SB. not a division, nor go 16-0. each team needs to do what they think is best and live with the consequences. --having the league now try and jump in and award bonus draft picks to teams that play all their starters or disallow FA signings to teams that dont is just plain stupid.

rules shouldn't change from week 1 to week 17. if a team wants to tank, they can tank.

 

[gregg729]

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it's iffy...

it hurts other teams (stillers this year) to let certain teams get free passes to wins and a playoff spot (jets). but if the stillers didn't lose the the freaking browns/chiefs/raiders, they wouldn't have been in that spot.

suxs to have bought tickets to see peyton if youre a bills fan. but then again it suxs to live in buffalo (sorry shrader ). so you're screwed to begin with.

fantasy playoffs.... don't give a rats azz.

vegas? they make lines accordingly. so if peeps need to bet they still can.

the goal is to win the SB. not a division, nor go 16-0. each team needs to do what they think is best and live with the consequences. --having the league now try and jump in and award bonus draft picks to teams that play all their starters or disallow FA signings to teams that dont is just plain stupid.

rules shouldn't change from week 1 to week 17. if a team wants to tank, they can tank.

A Jets loss would have lifted Houston to the playoffs, not the Steelers. Regardless, Houston and the Steelers missed the playoffs because they lost too many games, not because some other teams QB was on the bench in the last 30 minutes of the season.

And it's the job of the fan to look out for their wallets - any Bills fan should have probably been aware way back in week 1 that there was a strong likelihood Peyton was gonna be on the bench for half of the Bills game, anyway.

Anyway, is this horse dead yet? lol

 

[Priceless]

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A Jets loss would have lifted Houston to the playoffs, not the Steelers. Regardless, Houston and the Steelers missed the playoffs because they lost too many games, not because some other teams QB was on the bench in the last 30 minutes of the season.

And it's the job of the fan to look out for their wallets - any Bills fan should have probably been aware way back in week 1 that there was a strong likelihood Peyton was gonna be on the bench for half of the Bills game, anyway.

Anyway, is this horse dead yet? lol

The Buffalo fan may have known that, but they still get railroaded into buying season tickets and PSLs etc anyway. Plus they have to shell out regular season prices for two exhibition games.

And if they don't, the NFL blacks out the game and the fan doesn't get to see it anyway.

 

[mookie1995]

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A Jets loss would have lifted Houston to the playoffs, not the Steelers. Regardless, Houston and the Steelers missed the playoffs because they lost too many games, not because some other teams QB was on the bench in the last 30 minutes of the season.

And it's the job of the fan to look out for their wallets - any Bills fan should have probably been aware way back in week 1 that there was a strong likelihood Peyton was gonna be on the bench for half of the Bills game, anyway.

Anyway, is this horse dead yet? lol

jets had two gift games. colts then bungals. plus the patsies pulled tommy and let the texans win (woodley did say they were afraid of the stillers )

 

[LynahFan]

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I can't quite tell - is there anyone left in this thread who thinks that teams should be penalized for pulling their starters? If so, I'm really curious how you would word such a rule so that it would be objective and enforceable. Any takers?

 

[Priceless]

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I can't quite tell - is there anyone left in this thread who thinks that teams should be penalized for pulling their starters? If so, I'm really curious how you would word such a rule so that it would be objective and enforceable. Any takers?

I think it's a nice idea, but don't see any way to make it work. Are you going to give the best teams more draft picks? What about a team like the Browns, who could have packed it in for draft position, but instead finished with 4 wins?

I don't see a way to make it work.

 

[Hammer]

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A Jets loss would have lifted Houston to the playoffs, not the Steelers. Regardless, Houston and the Steelers missed the playoffs because they lost too many games, not because some other teams QB was on the bench in the last 30 minutes of the season.

And it's the job of the fan to look out for their wallets - any Bills fan should have probably been aware way back in week 1 that there was a strong likelihood Peyton was gonna be on the bench for half of the Bills game, anyway.

Anyway, is this horse dead yet? lol

I agree for the most part. You've got 16 games to get yourself into the playoffs, not just the last two. Don't like where you're at in week 17? Well, you should done something about that the prior 4 months. I don't want to hear about it.

A team plays the season and the playoffs to win a Super Bowl, and the management and coaching staff's job is to put the team in the best position to do so, however they see fit. Notice that I did NOT mention anything about who plays quarterback or linebacker on any given weekend. Spend your money, and your TV viewing time, accordingly.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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I think it's a nice idea, but don't see any way to make it work. Are you going to give the best teams more draft picks? What about a team like the Browns, who could have packed it in for draft position, but instead finished with 4 wins?

I don't see a way to make it work.

I don't think they can enforce such a rule, nor should they.

The only penalty that would really work is to not let the rested players play in the playoffs. How you decide what percentage of games/plays is required would be another issue.

Completely separate idea about teams getting into the playoffs or being knocked out by teams resting vs certain opponents. Make weeks 16 and 17 schedules TBA until after week 15 is done. Then the NFL could make sure teams that are competing for spots play meaningful games.

The only issue would be making sure all division games were played prior to that.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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I think the only thing that would be nice is if season ticket holders could get refunds for their tickets if their teams weren't playing starters. But besides that, what can you do?

 

[Hammer]

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I wouldn't even do that. By now people should know that this is a possibility late in the season, and they should spend accordingly. A sort of a buyer beware, if you will.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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I wouldn't even do that. By now people should know that this is a possibility late in the season, and they should spend accordingly. A sort of a buyer beware, if you will.

I think you buy tickets knowing that you're already dealing with absurd season ticket prices, and the requirement to buy preseason tickets which are if you are lucky one quarter of first team football.

But its somewhat unfair to season ticket holders to pay for more preseason-like games.

 

[Patman]

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I think the only thing that would be nice is if season ticket holders could get refunds for their tickets if their teams weren't playing starters. But besides that, what can you do?

whine like a baby apparently... you know, its the "risk" you run when a team is good... I'm sure we could be a bit more equitable and have a team not be as good but there it is... while people never really anticipated of the NFL being a place where you'd have stuff like this go on its not like there's any evilness or cheating involved. I don't see that having a dodo of a game is really a big cost as a fan if you anticipate a lengthy post-season and a championship as a consequence of having to watch that dodo game.

Frankly, life's too short, as a fan, to hyperventilate about the lack of respect that your own team is showing you by doing what's in their legitimate best interest. I mean, its not like they ran a popular player out on a rail or something equally obnoxious... they're doing what they see fit towards winning a super bowl.

Does anybody ask for a refund when baseball in its garbage phase as teams set their rotations and start a pitcher who is 9th on the starter depth chart?

 

[Patman]

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I think you buy tickets knowing that you're already dealing with absurd season ticket prices, and the requirement to buy preseason tickets which are if you are lucky one quarter of first team football.

But its somewhat unfair to season ticket holders to pay for more preseason-like games.

No, not really... what's unfair is they stiff them on the real preseason games in the first place.

 

[Priceless]

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whine like a baby apparently... you know, its the "risk" you run when a team is good... I'm sure we could be a bit more equitable and have a team not be as good but there it is... while people never really anticipated of the NFL being a place where you'd have stuff like this go on its not like there's any evilness or cheating involved. I don't see that having a dodo of a game is really a big cost as a fan if you anticipate a lengthy post-season and a championship as a consequence of having to watch that dodo game.

Frankly, life's too short, as a fan, to hyperventilate about the lack of respect that your own team is showing you by doing what's in their legitimate best interest. I mean, its not like they ran a popular player out on a rail or something equally obnoxious... they're doing what they see fit towards winning a super bowl.

Does anybody ask for a refund when baseball in its garbage phase as teams set their rotations and start a pitcher who is 9th on the starter depth chart?

MLB doesn't black out a game if the stadium doesn't sell out.

 

[Patman]

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MLB doesn't black out a game if the stadium doesn't sell out.

This is true... 99.44% irrelevant... but its true.

 

[LynahFan]

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No, not really... what's unfair is they stiff them on the real preseason games in the first place.

How is that unfair? I'd have thought a free-market guy like you would just shrug and say "that's what the market will bear." Don't like it? Don't buy season tickets or don't go to the preseason games and just think of the tickets as being 25% more expensive per regular season game.