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Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
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Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
Alright. So let me take you through groundhog day:
1) Kepler says something unprovoked and inflammatory about our faith.
2) I respond showing how he is both baseless and without facts in his assertion.
3) He starts to explain, but in reality it's just more attacks.
4) You create a false equivalency between he and I - even though he just called your God a terrorist or some such.
5) I occasionally ask you about this.
6) You flame me.
So how about let's just skip steps 5 and 6.
Alright. So let me take you through groundhog day:
1) Kepler says something unprovoked and inflammatory about our faith.
2) I respond showing how he is both baseless and without facts in his assertion.
3) He starts to explain, but in reality it's just more attacks.
4) You create a false equivalency between he and I - even though he just called your God a terrorist or some such.
5) I occasionally ask you about this.
6) You flame me.
So how about let's just skip steps 5 and 6.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
I must say the reactions are quite predicable tho.
I tend not to interpret some of the posts the same way you do. I think that is #6.
I must say the reactions are quite predicable tho.
unofan
Well-known member
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
Dude, it's called faith for a reason. You have literally no facts to back you up.
Dude, it's called faith for a reason. You have literally no facts to back you up.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Pretty much. Just get out your popcorn and enjoy the mindless entertainment.
Same deal with Joe and abortion.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
Q. How many Christians does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. That isn't funny.
What else is the Cafe but people saying something unprovoked and inflammatory? It is the peculiar entitlement of the dogmatically religious that nobody is allowed to say anything about their folie a deux. They are the bully who threatens everyone else in the schoolyard but if somebody insults them then they cry and run for mommy.
Toughen up. Your gods (both the OT Middle Eastern sociopath and the NT Silicon Valley entrepreneur) like men with a little more backbone.
Q. How many Christians does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. That isn't funny.
What else is the Cafe but people saying something unprovoked and inflammatory? It is the peculiar entitlement of the dogmatically religious that nobody is allowed to say anything about their folie a deux. They are the bully who threatens everyone else in the schoolyard but if somebody insults them then they cry and run for mommy.
Toughen up. Your gods (both the OT Middle Eastern sociopath and the NT Silicon Valley entrepreneur) like men with a little more backbone.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
I would argue that tough is calling out intolerance when you see it and that being a bigot is quite cowardly.
The facts are that millions choose to turn to faith for self help.
The facts are that hundreds of millions are helped by faith via charity and volunteerism.
The facts are that skeptics here are so caught up in criticizing the means that they don't care whether people get helped or not.
I would argue that tough is calling out intolerance when you see it and that being a bigot is quite cowardly.
The facts are that millions choose to turn to faith for self help.
The facts are that hundreds of millions are helped by faith via charity and volunteerism.
The facts are that skeptics here are so caught up in criticizing the means that they don't care whether people get helped or not.
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
Very glad.
And that is not to say I don't appreciate most of what 5mn puts out there. He adds to the discussion, IMO, particularly when explaining his philosophy of Christianity.
Very glad.
And that is not to say I don't appreciate most of what 5mn puts out there. He adds to the discussion, IMO, particularly when explaining his philosophy of Christianity.
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
I have lots of skeptic friends who are capable of having meaningful conversations on faith. The skeptics here just can't. If it gets real, they just walk away.
I have lots of skeptic friends who are capable of having meaningful conversations on faith. The skeptics here just can't. If it gets real, they just walk away.
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
I respectfully disagree, 5mn. There have been some very meaningful conversations here involving you and skeptics. Sometimes we lapse into stereotypes and over-generalizations, but that is to be expected.
I respectfully disagree, 5mn. There have been some very meaningful conversations here involving you and skeptics. Sometimes we lapse into stereotypes and over-generalizations, but that is to be expected.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
People seeking and receiving help is good. There's no denying that. That's still not proof that your god exists. Millions of kids have faith in the Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy. Are they real?
People seeking and receiving help is good. There's no denying that. That's still not proof that your god exists. Millions of kids have faith in the Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy. Are they real?
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
At least, we're agreed that the outcomes of Christianity are 'good'.
The base definition of Christianity has nothing to do with existence. Christianity is defined as a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. And that definition explains the way in which millions get help.
At least, we're agreed that the outcomes of Christianity are 'good'.
The base definition of Christianity has nothing to do with existence. Christianity is defined as a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. And that definition explains the way in which millions get help.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
And what you just wrote completely removes your sect from perhaps >95% of Christians, who believe that Jesus Christ is God made corporeal, and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. One might even call it a Holy Trinity.
What you've described is essentially turning Christ into non-militaristic version of Sun Tzu.
And what you just wrote completely removes your sect from perhaps >95% of Christians, who believe that Jesus Christ is God made corporeal, and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. One might even call it a Holy Trinity.
What you've described is essentially turning Christ into non-militaristic version of Sun Tzu.
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Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
The outcomes of Christianity are good? I’m not sure they’re all good. Do they do some good things? Yes. They also do some terrible things and have for centuries
The outcomes of Christianity are good? I’m not sure they’re all good. Do they do some good things? Yes. They also do some terrible things and have for centuries
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
Yeah, he's got his blinders on to what people say. If it's right in front of his nose (that being his own perception of his own religion), then he zeroes in on it and ignores the (to steal a phrase from a certain pariah comedian) Yeah...but.
Yeah, he's got his blinders on to what people say. If it's right in front of his nose (that being his own perception of his own religion), then he zeroes in on it and ignores the (to steal a phrase from a certain pariah comedian) Yeah...but.
unofan
Well-known member
Physician, heal thyself.
You're so caught up in defending Christianity that you don't care whether people get hurt or not.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
*sigh*
"Well, there you go again."
I guess that means we can just throw out the Ten Commandments then. And everything else in the OT. If "I am the Lord your God" doesn't count and isn't a rule, then your version of Christianity just boils down to it being a self-help philosophy based on "love thy neighbor". That's fine, but it's something everyone should be doing anyway, and we shouldn't need a religious faith to figure that out.
Literally no organized version of the Christian faith agrees with you, 5mn. You've got your own little, rebellious interpretation that many (probably even a majority) of your kind would find blasphemous.
*sigh*
"Well, there you go again."
I guess that means we can just throw out the Ten Commandments then. And everything else in the OT. If "I am the Lord your God" doesn't count and isn't a rule, then your version of Christianity just boils down to it being a self-help philosophy based on "love thy neighbor". That's fine, but it's something everyone should be doing anyway, and we shouldn't need a religious faith to figure that out.
Literally no organized version of the Christian faith agrees with you, 5mn. You've got your own little, rebellious interpretation that many (probably even a majority) of your kind would find blasphemous.
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Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer
Christianity is defined as simply following Jesus in every major dictionary in the modern English language. By definition, 'knowing' that God exists is not part of that equation. I'll never know why skeptics need to redefine it to something its not.
Acts of love and helping the fortunate do seem to come from inspiration for love and helping the less fortunate.
Acts of hatred and injury do not naturally come from love and helping the less fortunate - its pretty much a necessity that the actor does it in spite of Christian influence.
Christianity is defined as simply following Jesus in every major dictionary in the modern English language. By definition, 'knowing' that God exists is not part of that equation. I'll never know why skeptics need to redefine it to something its not.
Acts of love and helping the fortunate do seem to come from inspiration for love and helping the less fortunate.
Acts of hatred and injury do not naturally come from love and helping the less fortunate - its pretty much a necessity that the actor does it in spite of Christian influence.
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