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Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

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Not sure I agree with your assessment but I get what you are trying to say.
 
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Still amuses me. We say in the Apostles' or Nicene Creed something to the effect of:

"Suffered under Pontius Pilate.
Was crucified, dead, buried.
Descended into hell.
On the third day, rose again,
Where he sitteth at the hand of God the Father.
From there he shall come to judge the living and the dead."

So, apparently being tortured, being crucified, dead, buried, and going to hell? Not a problem for Christ. Can do that all the time and twice on the weekends. Upon learning that students couldn't be forced to pray, he took his ball and went home... according to Christian Supremacists.

Glad I talk to people who actually know their ****... instead of people who think Christians should get their way all the time.
 
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MissThundercat said:
Still amuses me. We say in the Apostles' or Nicene Creed something to the effect of:

"Suffered under Pontius Pilate.
Was crucified, dead, buried.
Descended into hell.
On the third day, rose again,
Where he sitteth at the hand of God the Father.
From there he shall come to judge the living and the dead."

So, apparently being tortured, being crucified, dead, buried, and going to hell? Not a problem for Christ. Can do that all the time and twice on the weekends. Upon learning that students couldn't be forced to pray, he took his ball and went home... according to Christian Supremacists.

Glad I talk to people who actually know their ****... instead of people who think Christians should get their way all the time.
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Those people aren't real Christians. They are a la carte Christians.
 
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Never got the part where he descended into Hell. If he was perfect, and never renounced/forsook his Father, why would he go to Hell at all?

If the argument is that this is a mistranslation filtered through at least four different languages, then doesn't that mean that we can dispute lots of other things the Bible says we're supposed to do?
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Never got the part where he descended into Hell. If he was perfect, and never renounced/forsook his Father, why would he go to Hell at all?

If the argument is that this is a mistranslation filtered through at least four different languages, then doesn't that mean that we can dispute lots of other things the Bible says we're supposed to do?
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I heard it said that he descended into Hell to redeem humanity. But from what I read online this morning, this is a mistranslation, and hell = grave. Then again, I'll be in church this morning, so I'll ask Jen.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Never got the part where he descended into Hell. If he was perfect, and never renounced/forsook his Father, why would he go to Hell at all?

If the argument is that this is a mistranslation filtered through at least four different languages, then doesn't that mean that we can dispute lots of other things the Bible says we're supposed to do?
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Catholic version doesn't have that line. Just suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again.
 
unofan said:
Catholic version doesn't have that line. Just suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again.
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Nicene Creed does not have it. Apostles Creed does.

Since the fall at the Garden of Eden, the Gates of Heaven were closed. The souls of the just were in "Limbo" awaiting the Messiah.

Upon His death, Jesus released the souls of the just from Limbo and reopened the Gates of Heaven. They have stayed open since.
 
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joecct said:
Nicene Creed does not have it. Apostles Creed does.

Since the fall at the Garden of Eden, the Gates of Heaven were closed. The souls of the just were in "Limbo" awaiting the Messiah.

Upon His death, Jesus released the souls of the just from Limbo and reopened the Gates of Heaven. They have stayed open since.
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Since I can't believe you mean all that in a literal sense, what do "Garden of Eden" and "Gates of Hell" mean?
 
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joecct said:
Nicene Creed does not have it. Apostles Creed does.

Since the fall at the Garden of Eden, the Gates of Heaven were closed. The souls of the just were in "Limbo" awaiting the Messiah.

Upon His death, Jesus released the souls of the just from Limbo and reopened the Gates of Heaven. They have stayed open since.
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Doctrine thing since there is no Limbo in the Scriptures. Who first decided there was Limbo?
 
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googled it because well, because. Interesting. I guess they decided it doesn't exist too.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/limbo-Roman-Catholic-theology

or maybe it does?

https://catholicherald.co.uk/commen...would-leave-a-serious-gap-in-church-teaching/

This one was confusing. If Christ died for our sins then this makes no sense. Did he not die for our sins? He died for only those who were alive when he died? Maybe I am a simpleton but if Christ died to wash away our sins then what the heck is all this stuff about excluding people for minutiae. God isn't stupid. He gave us grace. Baptism is a promise to raise the person in the church but Grace was granted before any human got involved.
 
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Nice to be in a place where the attitude is far from "Thoughts and Prayers and Jesus Will Fix It."

And I just filled out the membership form for that place tonight.
 
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MissThundercat said:
Nice to be in a place where the attitude is far from "Thoughts and Prayers and Jesus Will Fix It."

And I just filled out the membership form for that place tonight.
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Just saw the old Poseidon Adventure again. The movie is actually a statement on 'thoughts and prayers'.

Although a believer in God, Hackman was a rebellious priest who was kicked out of the church for speaking out against 'praying' as opposed to a second priest. The second priest appreciated Hackman's views but felt that prayer was important. The broader point of Hackman's character was not really about the act of prayer...but rather you should take matters into your own hands rather than strictly have 'hopes and prayers'.

As the ship is sinking, Hackman seizes control of the situation and leads a helpless group to safety. The other priest stays with those unwilling or unable to take a chance and buck the recommendations of the ships second in command. Hackman's role of helping others by taking charge is obviously elevated, but so is that of the second priest as a duty to help those in need.

Old movies can be pretty stellar.
 
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Thoughts and prayers are useless without decisive action following.

Imagine if Moses had told the Jews "thoughts and prayers" at the Red Sea. If Jesus had told the 5,000 "thoughts and prayers." If the Apostles had told the beggar at the temple "thoughts and prayers" as they just walked on by.
 
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DynastyUdude said:
What would those things be FadeToBlack&Gold, that you think we should not have to do? But yes, IF, and that is a big if, but if there is proof that mistranslations have misled people in regards to any law or instruction or commandment, research should be done to find the proper meaning so that the proper actions to be taken can be known. But I doubt that there are many examples of this. Most of the mistranslations can be found to be things involving doctrines that were being argued about. But a good understanding of the Old Testament's teachings usually lead intelligent truth seekers to the truth. Problem is most people are sheep that put too much trust in their shepards.
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Wow. Reading that is like watching a 1/4 horse trim router trying to turn a raised panel bit.
 
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