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Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

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St. Clown said:
More than anything, I'd bet, is that these two women just violated their vows as being God's brides to later become each others' brides. They violated a vow to the Church, essentially.
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They had already renounced being nuns. Jesus doesn't get to mindf-ck them anymore, they're into the real thing now.
 
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St. Clown said:
More than anything, I'd bet, is that these two women just violated their vows as being God's brides to later become each others' brides. They violated a vow to the Church, essentially.
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Considering he recently applauded anti-same sex marriage efforts in Mexico, and reaffirmed church doctrine on the matter, it's hardly the only factor.

The orgy news though, just continues to fuel the speculation that Benedict retired after he learned of a big sex scandal within the Vatican, and left Francis to clean-up the mess.
 
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leswp1 said:
Oh great. SO now how do we deal with all those Turkish people who want to send their kids to school here where we have people trying to revert back to evolution?
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Send them to Ark land? After all Noah's Ark reportedly landed on Mt. Ararat.
 
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If I don't say anything to someone that's going to non-factual park, does that mean I aided in the brainwashing?

Was at lunch with some co-workers and one is very excited for a vacation she's taking next month with her dad and some other family members....to.....the Ark Encounter.
So many things I wanted to say. But she's excited to go on a trip with family. I don't think she ever goes on vacation outside of the state.
I do not have a problem with people practicing their faith. I do have a problem with the young Earth, Creation Museum people and their dinosaurs on Noah's Ark, anti-science perpetuation.
 
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wolverineTrumpet said:
If I don't say anything to someone that's going to non-factual park, does that mean I aided in the brainwashing?
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Not really. The brainwashed will stay brainwashed, in fact they'll double down on you.

People who believe in Christian fabulism want to believe in it. It's not an objective scientific argument, it's their identity and their memory of whatever authority figure inculcated them with that tripe. If you give them a fact you are emotionally threatening them. As much as you engage with their head, that's not where those decisions were made.

Let them be; talk to them about the weather; if they insist on dragging it into things give them a timeout.
 
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Kepler said:
Not really. The brainwashed will stay brainwashed, in fact they'll double down on you.

People who believe in Christian fabulism want to believe in it. It's not an objective scientific argument, it's their identity and their memory of whatever authority figure inculcated them with that tripe. If you give them a fact you are emotionally threatening them. As much as you engage with their head, that's not where those decisions were made.

Let them be; talk to them about the weather; if they insist on dragging it into things give them a timeout.
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You can find study after study that this is true regardless of the subject, people will spend a lot of time defending their positions once they've made up their minds. It's something that a former manager of mine used to beat into our heads time and again: Don't let our pre-positioned ideas dictate the facts, let the facts dictate our positions.
 
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Atheists are upset with that guy in Oklahoma for mowing down the 10 Commandments with his car. They had filed suit... but with nothing there right now, their suit can't go forward.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
Atheists are upset with that guy in Oklahoma for mowing down the 10 Commandments with his car. They had filed suit... but with nothing there right now, their suit can't go forward.
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Odd twist: the guy mowing down the Commandments is a Christian who also happens to hold a strong belief in the separation of church and state.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
Atheists are upset with that guy in Oklahoma for mowing down the 10 Commandments with his car. They had filed suit... but with nothing there right now, their suit can't go forward.
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It is at least possible that it could. In First Amendment cases, the challenge is sometimes allowed to proceed, even when the controversy is removed if, among other things, the issue is capable of repeating itself. Not saying it's likely in this case, particularly since it's an establishment issue not free exercise, but the theoretical possibility is at least there.
 
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The Dalai Lama has an op-ed in today's WSJ that's worth a read in full.

Today the world faces a crisis related to lack of respect for spiritual principles and ethical values. Such virtues cannot be forced on society by legislation or by science, nor can fear inspire ethical conduct. Rather, people must have conviction in the worth of ethical principles so that they want to live ethically.....

Self-discipline and self-restraint of all citizens—from CEOs to lawmakers to teachers—are needed to create a good society. But these virtues cannot be imposed from the outside. They require inner cultivation. This is why spirituality and religion are relevant in the modern world.
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I promote this type of secularism: to be a kind person who does not harm others regardless of profound religious differences.
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Religion values ethical conduct, which may involve delayed gratification, whereas consumerism directs us toward immediate happiness. Faith traditions stress inner satisfaction and a peaceful mind, while materialism says that happiness comes from external objects. Religious values such as kindness, generosity and honesty get lost in the rush to make more money and have more and “better” possessions. Many people’s minds are confused about what happiness is and how to create its causes.
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It is not so important which religion you practice as it is that you practice some religion, sincerely....and note especially that there are several religions that do not require a deity, so that there is nothing incompatible with being an atheist and being religious (or, if you prefer, being "spiritual").
 
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FreshFish said:
The Dalai Lama has an op-ed in today's WSJ that's worth a read in full.

It is not so important which religion you practice as it is that you practice some religion, sincerely....and note especially that there are several religions that do not require a deity, so that there is nothing incompatible with being an atheist and being religious (or, if you prefer, being "spiritual").
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I'd agree with much of that. But I know a lot of people who are not the least bit religious or "spiritual," who tend to take a more science-based view of the world--I guess you would classify them as rationalists. They are well-educated and were well raised and possess most of the good qualities noted by the Dalai Lama in that quote.
 
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FreshFish said:
The Dalai Lama has an op-ed in today's WSJ that's worth a read in full.




It is not so important which religion you practice as it is that you practice some religion, sincerely....and note especially that there are several religions that do not require a deity, so that there is nothing incompatible with being an atheist and being religious (or, if you prefer, being "spiritual").
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I don't have a religion or spiritualness, and yet I still value kindness, generosity, caring and honesty. I don't see how being ethical, or a good person or the kind of person you would want as a friend is always linked to some religious belief. It is very possible to have values and ethics instilled in oneself from family, community, and experience interacting with others.
Does living and interacting with the world and other people count as a religion? If so, I guess that is what has instilled "religious values" in me.
 
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I think that's fairly close to humanism. A sort of religion, I suppose, on its own.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I think that's fairly close to humanism. A sort of religion, I suppose, on its own.
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Humanism isn't a religion, it's, IMHO, just an ethical structure people have assigned to the irreligious who don't act like crazed lunatics.

ETA: I should say, it's the ethical structure that religious people have assigned to those of us who are irreligious and don't act like crazed a--holes.
 
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No I agree. I should have been more clear. It's not a religion but in the context of Fishy's comments, it could be thought of as one in a way.
 
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