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Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

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Kepler said:
This is a new, politically-motivated addendum. Mother Church instructs us on matters of Faith. That's it. On everything else, from abortion to the death penalty, opinions are like as-sholes.
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Most humans who explain information have bias. Go straight to the source - the Word - and you're good.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Most humans who explain information have bias. Go straight to the source - the Word - and you're good.
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You'd make a lousy Catholic. :p

We're not supposed to know anything about the Bible. That's why we've got a Front Office to explain it all to us.
 
5mn_Major said:
Most humans who explain information have bias. Go straight to the source - the Word - and you're good.
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I do not question the Word, only what man has made of it.

And in John 1, we have "In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God..."
 
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joecct said:
And in John 1, we have "In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God..."
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And it's inscribed on the tablet of our hearts.

I've never understood how so many people could misinterpret this straightforward statement. "God is not a person, it's a code written in our hearts. Soul is not a thing, it's a state of being."

It's just always been kinda obvious to me that everything else is a fairy story (much of the story being pretty icky, actually -- though some parts lovely), and if you can latch on to the truth of the lead-in that's all you need.
 
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joecct said:
I do not question the Word, only what man has made of it.

And in John 1, we have "In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God..."
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Still doesn't explain how people can cherrypick the interpretations of the church. Really am trying to understand, not flame. Being Lutheran the job is to question how the things fit with the Scriptures. The whole division happened because Luther thought the Doctrines were straying from or contradicting scripture. Lutherans have long dialogues within their home church and amongst churches in the synod about how to interpret lines of Scripture. One of my favorite lines is "put ten people in the room. Read a Bible verse and you will have 10 opinions on what it says." With that belief it is impossible to discern the true meaning of the quote above.

What I think I am seeing you say is- you are responsible to obey the Pope only if you agree with his interpretation and motivation of his dictates. Your job is to decide if what he is doing is correct. He doesn't have the moral authority to instruct you unless you make the determination that it fits into certain parts of life.

This is definitely different from what many of my friends believe the instruction from the Church is. Most of them have no intention of following what they are told- no birth control being a good example. They seem to feel that even if they are not going to follow the dictates the Pope has the right to declare them. They go to Church to get absolution to remove the stain of sin that they commit when they defy the dictates. I always thought the Pope was supposed to instruct you on all aspects of life as the Spirit moved him.

(the Unitarian upbringing is coming out. Religion is fascinating)
 
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leswp1 said:
Still doesn't explain how people can cherrypick the interpretations of the church. Really am trying to understand, not flame. Being Lutheran the job is to question how the things fit with the Scriptures. The whole division happened because Luther thought the Doctrines were straying from or contradicting scripture. Lutherans have long dialogues within their home church and amongst churches in the synod about how to interpret lines of Scripture. One of my favorite lines is "put ten people in the room. Read a Bible verse and you will have 10 opinions on what it says." With that belief it is impossible to discern the true meaning of the quote above.

What I think I am seeing you say is- you are responsible to obey the Pope only if you agree with his interpretation and motivation of his dictates. Your job is to decide if what he is doing is correct. He doesn't have the moral authority to instruct you unless you make the determination that it fits into certain parts of life.

This is definitely different from what many of my friends believe the instruction from the Church is. Most of them have no intention of following what they are told- no birth control being a good example. They seem to feel that even if they are not going to follow the dictates the Pope has the right to declare them. They go to Church to get absolution to remove the stain of sin that they commit when they defy the dictates. I always thought the Pope was supposed to instruct you on all aspects of life as the Spirit moved him.

(the Unitarian upbringing is coming out. Religion is fascinating)
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We don't subscribe to Sola Scriptura.

Having one source of interpretation cuts down (or did) on everyone going off on tangents. It worked for us up until 50 or so years ago.
 
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joecct said:
We don't subscribe to Sola Scriptura.
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This is one of the greatest understatements ever uttered. :)

Having one source of interpretation cuts down (or did) on everyone going off on tangents. It worked for us up until 50 or so years ago.
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Well. Kinda. It "worked" in the sense that we kept losing huge chunks of believers, like the Eastern Orthodox and the Greek Orthodox and the Protestants. ;)
 
Kepler said:
This is one of the greatest understatements ever uttered. :)



Well. Kinda. It "worked" in the sense that we kept losing huge chunks of believers, like the Eastern Orthodox and the Greek Orthodox and the Protestants. ;)
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Don't forget about the lapsed Catholics!
 
Jimjamesak said:
Don't forget about the lapsed Catholics!
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Oh yea. Don't get me started on 50+ years of bad catechesis, bad liturgy, bad sermons, and worse music.

I've started going to an Anglican Use (Ordnariate) parish. Better liturgy, better music, and the pastor and his wife have 8 kids.
 
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joecct said:
Oh yea. Don't get me started on 50+ years of bad catechesis, bad liturgy, bad sermons, and worse music.

I've started going to an Anglican Use (Ordnariate) parish. Better liturgy, better music, and the pastor and his wife have 8 kids.
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Have you ever been to Evensong? Dr. Mrs. and I went at Westminster Cathedral. This is a recording, but to be present is to be transported. It is impossibly beautiful.
 
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Kepler said:
Have you ever been to Evensong? Dr. Mrs. and I went at Westminster Cathedral. This is a recording, but to be present is to be transported. It is impossibly beautiful.
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I went to one of those. It was awe- inspiring. We sat in the Quire. Incredible. One of my favorite memories of all the times I went to Westminster.
 
Kepler said:
Have you ever been to Evensong? Dr. Mrs. and I went at Westminster Cathedral. This is a recording, but to be present is to be transported. It is impossibly beautiful.
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My cousin is now an Episcopal priest(ess?) At my Mom's funeral Mass I told her the Anglicans have it way over (American) Catholics when it comes to music.

I made sure that Haugen and Schutte were banned from her Mass. Instead
I Know the My Redeemer Liveth (Messiah)
23 Psalm (Gelineau)
Ave Maria (what funeral Mass is without this!)
O Lord I Am Not Worthy
and to send Mom off -
Guide Me Now O Great Redeemer

I believe, in theory, that the 1st and last are prohibited as they are secular hymns. Tough.
 
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Kepler said:
Maybe we should have religious tests...

(I kid. They're called the SATs.)
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In that case question #1 is "Do you enjoy the Left Behind series?"

We could weed out a lot with that one alone.
 
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