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Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
You're still missing the point, but to be fair by a little less now. Let me try another example.
A Maple Leafs fan, a Flyers fan, a football fan, and a musician walk into a bar. The Maple Leafs and Flyers fans banter good-naturedly about hockey and are a tiny bit weirded out by the two who don't follow hockey but, hey, takes all kinds. The three sports fans at least understand each other's addiction to rivalries and fandom within sports, but they can't figure out the musician. They ask him what team he roots for, and he says "Meh, I'm not really a sports fan."
The sports fans wonder what life is like without all the friendships and joys and agonies and "something bigger than themselves" they have experienced in their life because of sports. One thinks to himself, "But what is this guy, really? His life is just a negation of sports. He's a {Not Sports Fan}, so if sports ceased to exist he wouldn't be... anything!" They sadly shake their heads at all the musician is missing. What an empty world.
Meanwhile, the musician has headphones on and is listening to Mozart.
You're still missing the point, but to be fair by a little less now. Let me try another example.
A Maple Leafs fan, a Flyers fan, a football fan, and a musician walk into a bar. The Maple Leafs and Flyers fans banter good-naturedly about hockey and are a tiny bit weirded out by the two who don't follow hockey but, hey, takes all kinds. The three sports fans at least understand each other's addiction to rivalries and fandom within sports, but they can't figure out the musician. They ask him what team he roots for, and he says "Meh, I'm not really a sports fan."
The sports fans wonder what life is like without all the friendships and joys and agonies and "something bigger than themselves" they have experienced in their life because of sports. One thinks to himself, "But what is this guy, really? His life is just a negation of sports. He's a {Not Sports Fan}, so if sports ceased to exist he wouldn't be... anything!" They sadly shake their heads at all the musician is missing. What an empty world.
Meanwhile, the musician has headphones on and is listening to Mozart.
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unofan
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If there were no religion, everyone would be atheist.
Or do you somehow make a distinction between someone who says they're "not religious" and those who say they're "atheist"?
There is always belief in The Powers That Be.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
Not fully tracking...but I assume you're not talking about your Greek root piece.
Not sure if anyone has any idea what you're talking about.
Not true. Atheism is the doctrine of belief that there is no God. Without the concept of belief...nothing is rejected or accepted.
Not fully tracking...but I assume you're not talking about your Greek root piece.
Not sure if anyone has any idea what you're talking about.
Not true. Atheism is the doctrine of belief that there is no God. Without the concept of belief...nothing is rejected or accepted.
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unofan
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Based on this, then, am I to infer you do differentiate between people who say "I'm atheist" versus those who say "I'm not religious"?
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
The opposite of something cannot exist if that specific thing does not already exist. There is no good without evil. There is no happy without sad. There is no atheism without religion.
What you're trying to prove is beyond me.
What I can say is that when you keep calling atheism a "doctrine of belief" is that you truly do not understand what atheism is at all. You've framed the idea of it within your mind according to your religious outlook on life.
The opposite of something cannot exist if that specific thing does not already exist. There is no good without evil. There is no happy without sad. There is no atheism without religion.
What you're trying to prove is beyond me.
What I can say is that when you keep calling atheism a "doctrine of belief" is that you truly do not understand what atheism is at all. You've framed the idea of it within your mind according to your religious outlook on life.
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
Sorry, but the analogy does not hold.
Music and sports are totally independent. One is not related to each other...as the color red is with the concept of anticipation. In your case, belief in a specific concept and disbelief in that same concept are not independent. By the nature of the word God coming up in each definition...they are related. UNO's point is closer...but still misses that in the absence of any faith, there is nothing to reject as there is nothing of consideration. Atheism is a rejection of the social adoption of a deity.
Here's where there is potential for it to get messy. I have friends who have maybe said at one time they're atheists...but you'd never know and I don't know to this today...just as they may or may not know I'm Christian. My atheist friends are just non religious. To me, that makes sense as rather than focus on things your against - focus on things your for. The problem is vocal atheists have a tendency to move beyond non religiousness and beyond basic dialog and into anti religion sentiment.
Sorry, but the analogy does not hold.
Music and sports are totally independent. One is not related to each other...as the color red is with the concept of anticipation. In your case, belief in a specific concept and disbelief in that same concept are not independent. By the nature of the word God coming up in each definition...they are related. UNO's point is closer...but still misses that in the absence of any faith, there is nothing to reject as there is nothing of consideration. Atheism is a rejection of the social adoption of a deity.
Here's where there is potential for it to get messy. I have friends who have maybe said at one time they're atheists...but you'd never know and I don't know to this today...just as they may or may not know I'm Christian. My atheist friends are just non religious. To me, that makes sense as rather than focus on things your against - focus on things your for. The problem is vocal atheists have a tendency to move beyond non religiousness and beyond basic dialog and into anti religion sentiment.
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
That whole tangent was in regards to the below statement. Atheism is in fact not 'outside' of theism but rather against it.
Dictionary.com - the doctrine or belief that there is no God. I haven't seen any solid evidence to negate my positions on the topic.
I think I did as you were typing this.
That whole tangent was in regards to the below statement. Atheism is in fact not 'outside' of theism but rather against it.
Dictionary.com - the doctrine or belief that there is no God. I haven't seen any solid evidence to negate my positions on the topic.
I think I did as you were typing this.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
I'd be curious to know the background of the person who wrote any dictionary's definition on words such that can carry debate. Dictionaries have been known to alter their definitions over the years as greater understanding comes to being.
There have been over 2700 documented gods in the history of human existence. You've rejected all but 1. That must mean you're mostly atheist.
I'd be curious to know the background of the person who wrote any dictionary's definition on words such that can carry debate. Dictionaries have been known to alter their definitions over the years as greater understanding comes to being.
There have been over 2700 documented gods in the history of human existence. You've rejected all but 1. That must mean you're mostly atheist.
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
All acknowledged dictionaries share pretty much the same definition.
Could it be that there were 2700 versions of one God? And even the very specific Christian God has many faces. I just don't see the critical details in the line of reasoning.
God helps individuals via support, direction, meaning, etc via messaging in the Bible. If people can benefit from that...so what? Vocal atheists just try to belittle that and for what end? What is the true motivation? Personally if individuals explore and reject it...I'm totally fine with that. Just give people a chance to improve.
All acknowledged dictionaries share pretty much the same definition.
Could it be that there were 2700 versions of one God? And even the very specific Christian God has many faces. I just don't see the critical details in the line of reasoning.
God helps individuals via support, direction, meaning, etc via messaging in the Bible. If people can benefit from that...so what? Vocal atheists just try to belittle that and for what end? What is the true motivation? Personally if individuals explore and reject it...I'm totally fine with that. Just give people a chance to improve.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
The Koran works too.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...
You're making my point for me.
"People of the Book? More like Pen-ses of the Book, amirite?!"
I wonder if the Sutras and the Vedas teach men to sh-t all over women, too. I have a feeling this is a monkey brain thing, not a Western thing.
Edit: looks they have the same problems with their scriptures as we do.
Pretty much time to hold a new Constitutional Convention for this sh-t, folks. We've grown up a lot in the last few thousand years. Maybe start some 2.0 religions that can then enslave us up to the year 6565, eh?
You're making my point for me.
"People of the Book? More like Pen-ses of the Book, amirite?!"
I wonder if the Sutras and the Vedas teach men to sh-t all over women, too. I have a feeling this is a monkey brain thing, not a Western thing.
Edit: looks they have the same problems with their scriptures as we do.
Pretty much time to hold a new Constitutional Convention for this sh-t, folks. We've grown up a lot in the last few thousand years. Maybe start some 2.0 religions that can then enslave us up to the year 6565, eh?
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