Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

[Timothy A]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

No, Timothy, she isn't. The Republican party nominated, supported, and elected the guy. Enough dems stayed home to make the difference, certainly, but the machine that excreted Trump out its arse is the source of our angst.

If the dems had turned out like they did for Obama, she would have won, so blame your own party. The dems had the most beatable Republican to run since, I have no idea, maybe ever, and they pead down their legs. So look inward and try to fix your party's performance, probably starting at not rigging the nomination process. Bernie would have crushed Trump, but the dems thought the minorites wanted the old Sugar Mamma instead of the old Commie.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

If the dems had turned out like they did for Obama, she would have won, so blame your own party. The dems had the most beatable Republican to run since, I have no idea, maybe ever, and they pead down their legs.

Wow, you're actually correct with this part!

So look inward and try to fix your party's performance, probably starting at not rigging the nomination process. Bernie would have crushed Trump, but the dems thought the minorites wanted the old Sugar Mamma instead of the old Commie.

And incredibly wrong with the second part.

 

[burd]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

If the dems had turned out like they did for Obama, she would have won, so blame your own party. The dems had the most beatable Republican to run since, I have no idea, maybe ever, and they pead down their legs. So look inward and try to fix your party's performance, probably starting at not rigging the nomination process. Bernie would have crushed Trump, but the dems thought the minorites wanted the old Sugar Mamma instead of the old Commie.

Oh, don't get me wrong--there are plenty of reasons to criticize the dems' inability to win that election. And there will probably be plenty of reasons to criticize them for failing to capitalize on the wreckage Trump is leaving in his wake.

But for Republicans to blame Democrats or democratic candidates for Trump is beyond absurd.

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Wow, you're actually correct with this part!

And incredibly wrong with the second part.

So you don't think there's areas the Dems can improve on to increase the likelihood of success in 2020?

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Oh, don't get me wrong--there are plenty of reasons to criticize the dems' inability to win that election. And there will probably be plenty of reasons to criticize them for failing to capitalize on the wreckage Trump is leaving in his wake.

But for Republicans to blame Democrats or democratic candidates for Trump is beyond absurd.

Just win baby and it's all good for you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

If the dems had turned out like they did for Obama, she would have won, so blame your own party. The dems had the most beatable Republican to run since, I have no idea, maybe ever, and they pead down their legs. So look inward and try to fix your party's performance, probably starting at not rigging the nomination process. Bernie would have crushed Trump, but the dems thought the minorites wanted the old Sugar Mamma instead of the old Commie.

He had Romney numbers. So don't even begin to imply he was the most "beatable". It's not true.

 

[burd]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Just win baby and it's all good for you.

Yes, I guess that is always true.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

So you don't think there's areas the Dems can improve on to increase the likelihood of success in 2020?

"The nomination was rigged", and "Sanders would've won!", is conspiratorial InfoWars/Democratic Underground-level BS, and you know it. You should be embarrassed to be spewing that garbage.

Hillary wasn't a great candidate, and yes, she made mistakes. But regardless of what Berniebots think, he wouldn't have beaten Trump either. He's an airhead with a lot of talk, and no actual plans.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

"The nomination was rigged", and "Sanders would've won!", is conspiratorial InfoWars/Democratic Underground-level BS, and you know it. You should be embarrassed to be spewing that garbage.

Hillary wasn't a great candidate, and yes, she made mistakes. But regardless of what Berniebots think, he wouldn't have beaten Trump either. He's an airhead with a lot of talk, and no actual plans.

Sanders would have won. He was just as anti-establishment as Dump and he didn't have any of Hillary's baggage.

As for "rigged," it depends what you mean. The nomination was certainly tilted but it's not clear to me that Sanders would have won if it was completely unbiased. It's just too hard to say. A huge number of Democratic voters could see nothing but FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT and they were going to carry that banner come hell or high water. Also, a large number of Democrats have lived their whole lives under the Identity Regime and don't have the stomach or even the desire for a real fight for economic justice. While this may not have been the intention of the 1% it has certainly been a blessing for them.

 

[geezer]

"The nomination was rigged", and "Sanders would've won!", is conspiratorial InfoWars/Democratic Underground-level BS, and you know it. You should be embarrassed to be spewing that garbage.

Hillary wasn't a great candidate, and yes, she made mistakes. But regardless of what Berniebots think, he wouldn't have beaten Trump either. He's an airhead with a lot of talk, and no actual plans.

I think Bernie would have won based on enthusiasm and turnout. Students were as excited about him as they were for Obama. Remember even with Hilly it was very very close and he would’ve given a big boost in MI, WI, etc
The newscaster guys and gals on NPR are very smart people. I heard an ironclad case on their podcast that convinced me Bernie would have won it all... don't remember all the details, except that they certainly convinced me of it at the time.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

No one ever dreamed Trump would win, they felt no need to denounce him. Too bad Hillary got complacent at the end, she's the root cause of all your angst.

Hellllooooooo? This wasn't directed to a political party. This isn't about politics. I was questioning Christian leaders not calling out someone who was behaving like an anti-Christ. Who cares if he was supposed to be elected or not? The man has behaved in an amoral way with the support of the 'Evangelical' Right religious leaders. Inexplicably they seem espouse the leadership of a man who behaves in a way that is directly opposite what they want to require of anyone else. The other religious leaders should have been howling in outrage. That has nothing to do with political party. It has to do with reminding people what is right and wrong.

The argument THe Religious Right makes that he'll forward their Right/fundie agenda is ridiculous. If they truly believe in Christianity they would be looking at what Christ's message was- it wasn't obsessing on abortion for one thing. He told us to feed the poor, care for the children and widows, etc.

People are getting sucked into partisan politics to the point they are losing the ability to realize an evil person or evil intent is evil, no matter what party they are from.

 

[MissThundercat]

Back on topic, I haven't seen as much of the War on Christmas stuff this year.

That being said, the same people who are desperate to Keep Christ in Christmas are the same people who ignore the parable of the Sheep and the Goats, and have no interest in loving justice, loving mercy, and walking humbly with their God.

And I've figured my family out: "love your neighbor as yourself..." kinda hard to do when you're overflowing with self-loathing.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Sanders would have won. He was just as anti-establishment as Dump and he didn't have any of Hillary's baggage.

As for "rigged," it depends what you mean. The nomination was certainly tilted but it's not clear to me that Sanders would have won if it was completely unbiased. It's just too hard to say. A huge number of Democratic voters could see nothing but FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT and they were going to carry that banner come hell or high water. Also, a large number of Democrats have lived their whole lives under the Identity Regime and don't have the stomach or even the desire for a real fight for economic justice. While this may not have been the intention of the 1% it has certainly been a blessing for them.

I think Bernie would have won based on enthusiasm and turnout. Students were as excited about him as they were for Obama. Remember even with Hilly it was very very close and he would’ve given a big boost in MI, WI, etc
The newscaster guys and gals on NPR are very smart people. I heard an ironclad case on their podcast that convinced me Bernie would have won it all... don't remember all the details, except that they certainly convinced me of it at the time.

So you guys think 'Murica is ready for democratic socialism?

Based on discussions I've had, I don't.

 

[unofan]

So you guys think 'Murica is ready for democratic socialism?

Based on discussions I've had, I don't.

I think the people who were Obama/Trump voters, which are those who swung the upper Midwest red, would've stayed blue with an old charismatic white guy to vote for. Because they clearly weren't voting based on ideology.

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

He had Romney numbers. So don't even begin to imply he was the most "beatable". It's not true.

All the experts were laughing at his campaign, they in fact said the same thing. He unconventionally destroyed one front runner after another and gave the Republican establishment the middle finger, supposedly alienating his constituents. He was way back in all the polls until the board starting turning his color. James Carville was totally SHOCKED. No one gave him a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Sanders would have won. He was just as anti-establishment as Dump and he didn't have any of Hillary's baggage.

I wanted to like Bernie, I like guys like him, McCain and Feingold, mavericks (and compromisers) not just falling in line with their party's conventional wisdom, but he was too far left for me. Trump was also anti-establishment, but a little too out there, but with Hillary being 1000% establishment, I had to go with Trump. Had Bernie vs a conventional Republican happened, I probably went for Bernie just to spite the Republican Establishment. I have voted for Kerry & Feingold in the past, I'm not a straight party guy. I want real change, the House and Senate need to get cleaned out.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Lol. Hillary was too far right for most of the liberal base of the party.

 

[unofan]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

No one gave him a snowball's chance in Hell of winning.

Not true, but whatever.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Trump was also anti-establishment, but a little too out there, but with Hillary being 1000% establishment, I had to go with Trump.

I want real change, the House and Senate need to get cleaned out.

And there it is. Not that we couldn't have guessed it, of course.

Just another deplorable dope.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Sanders would have won. He was just as anti-establishment as Dump and he didn't have any of Hillary's baggage.

I wanted to like Bernie, I like guys like him, McCain and Feingold, mavericks (and compromisers) not just falling in line with their party's conventional wisdom, but he was too far left for me. Trump was also anti-establishment, but a little too out there, but with Hillary being 1000% establishment, I had to go with Trump. Had Bernie vs a conventional Republican happened, I probably went for Bernie just to spite the Republican Establishment. I have voted for Kerry & Feingold in the past, I'm not a straight party guy. I want real change, the House and Senate need to get cleaned out.

Maybe I can ask this question of you and get a real answer. Totally not a sarcastic question-- How did you reconcile your Faith with voting for someone who was so against everything that is Christian? I am old enough to remember tRump from way back when I was in college. Anyone with minimal ability to search can find articles of his unChristian like behavior for decades. I have heard because he repents but it is quite obvious that his behavior has persisted until the current day. He also associates, encourages, or applauds people who exhibit the same behaviours.

I have heard also that he was the way to achieve the religious right agenda but I do not understand using a tool that clearly espouses all the things they abhor.

I understand wanting change but I do not understand the ability to tolerate the evil in a man to get it. I don't understand the thought that he would evince change that would be acceptable- as a Christian person his platform was against everything that Christ tells us to do. I feel like we are watching the current day re-enactment of Jesus turning over the Temple tables, calling out the Pharisees while large parts of the populace miss the point because well, "the Law" means that it is OK to do all sorts of things that are against the Spirit of the Law or what Christ would want us to do.

Most recently there have been Pastors saying that Moore was acceptable with the same reasoning. I just don't get how anyone who deeply believes that God will provide can sell their soul to evil to accomplish what God is supposed to be able to do. Is that not becoming part of the Evil that is supposed to be eradicated?

Sorry for the long post but I have really tried to get an answer to this and no one ever answers it. THe people who didn't vote for tRump can't answer. The people who did many times are secular.