Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Gotta keep the derps angry.
Gotta keep the derps angry.
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Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
They're such victims.
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/10/10/party-girls-sent-to-live-in-convent-for-reality-tv-show/
I have just the place in the USA - Hanceville, AL.
And the nominees are:
The Kardashians
Miley Cyrus
Lindsay Lohan
And I'm sure there are others.
http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/10/10/party-girls-sent-to-live-in-convent-for-reality-tv-show/
I have just the place in the USA - Hanceville, AL.
And the nominees are:
The Kardashians
Miley Cyrus
Lindsay Lohan
And I'm sure there are others.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Big month in Church history. 500 years ago, Martin Luther nailed a small note to the door of his local church, sparking the Protestant Reformation. Of course, the Church didn't just accept it...
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Why would they? After de facto rule of Europe for 1000 years...
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
I knew they wouldn't. But the aftermath is responsible for what, 180 new denominations?
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Took another look at Luther based on this. Interestingly, one of Luther's main tenants, a main tenant of Paul and many Christians is that salvation (and therefore, eternal life) is not by good deeds but rather by belief in Jesus as son of God.
I'm not sure I fully agree. The main reason is that I'm not so sure faith and works are separable. Unlike worshiping an inanimate object, Jesus (God in the new testament) stands for something...and that meaning is everything. The cornerstone of the Bible is teachings and the teachings is the reason Christianity became a social innovations juggernaut. Indeed, John said Jesus is the Word...the Word was made man. So if you believe in Jesus, you believe in the Word - and the Word is what matters. In the end, if you go against the Word...you are either wrong (in which case you are damaging the case for Christ) or you are purposefully perverting it. In any case, all inference show that compassionate works are a cornerstone to true belief as is defined by Jesus.
Could you do just works and receive salvation? That's less clear. But I can imagine that if you adopt the Bible as your life creed, you easily have the potential to be a better student, representative and soldier for Biblical love (i.e., Jesus).
Took another look at Luther based on this. Interestingly, one of Luther's main tenants, a main tenant of Paul and many Christians is that salvation (and therefore, eternal life) is not by good deeds but rather by belief in Jesus as son of God.
I'm not sure I fully agree. The main reason is that I'm not so sure faith and works are separable. Unlike worshiping an inanimate object, Jesus (God in the new testament) stands for something...and that meaning is everything. The cornerstone of the Bible is teachings and the teachings is the reason Christianity became a social innovations juggernaut. Indeed, John said Jesus is the Word...the Word was made man. So if you believe in Jesus, you believe in the Word - and the Word is what matters. In the end, if you go against the Word...you are either wrong (in which case you are damaging the case for Christ) or you are purposefully perverting it. In any case, all inference show that compassionate works are a cornerstone to true belief as is defined by Jesus.
Could you do just works and receive salvation? That's less clear. But I can imagine that if you adopt the Bible as your life creed, you easily have the potential to be a better student, representative and soldier for Biblical love (i.e., Jesus).
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
As to your last paragraph, yes. The Catholic Church recognizes that some people wander through life without hearing and understanding the Word of God yet are kind, decent people. They, like all of us, are rendered the particular judgment at death and go either to heaven, hell, or purgatory based on how they treated their fellow humans.
Not treated kindly will be those who treat their fellow humans like pond scum.
As to your last paragraph, yes. The Catholic Church recognizes that some people wander through life without hearing and understanding the Word of God yet are kind, decent people. They, like all of us, are rendered the particular judgment at death and go either to heaven, hell, or purgatory based on how they treated their fellow humans.
Not treated kindly will be those who treat their fellow humans like pond scum.
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
So if I understand correctly, the Catholic Church is IMO the more enlightened player in this particular situation - the point that applicable, impactful works weigh at least partially and at most predominantly in that outcome.
Having said that, my opinion is that belief is an important factor as do most Christian authorities. Its no big surprise that a preponderance of great moral achievements were launched by those taking their faith seriously.
So if I understand correctly, the Catholic Church is IMO the more enlightened player in this particular situation - the point that applicable, impactful works weigh at least partially and at most predominantly in that outcome.
Having said that, my opinion is that belief is an important factor as do most Christian authorities. Its no big surprise that a preponderance of great moral achievements were launched by those taking their faith seriously.
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
I should also point out that "Outside the (Catholic) Church there is no salvation."
In other words if you know that Holy Mother Church is the True Church and willingly decide that the pews are softer on the other side, you're on the Highway to Hell.
Somewhere in the last 50 years or so teaching and preaching about the Last 4 Things got tossed in favor of feel good.
I should also point out that "Outside the (Catholic) Church there is no salvation."
In other words if you know that Holy Mother Church is the True Church and willingly decide that the pews are softer on the other side, you're on the Highway to Hell.
Somewhere in the last 50 years or so teaching and preaching about the Last 4 Things got tossed in favor of feel good.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Punishment isn't profound. It's just sadistic.
Punishment isn't profound. It's just sadistic.
If you spit in the face of God you get off with no punishment? This is not the NCAA.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
The Creator of All Existence is a petty little twerp?
What's more likely: that's real, or it's the projection of some pathetic apes who will never outgrow their eggshell egos no matter how far from the trees they get?
The Creator of All Existence is a petty little twerp?
What's more likely: that's real, or it's the projection of some pathetic apes who will never outgrow their eggshell egos no matter how far from the trees they get?
leswp1
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Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
I thought they uninvented Purgatory. Looking it up I guess not. What was it they changed if it wasn't purgatory
If there is purgatory I don't understand the theology of having other people get you out of your sin. If I understand it right you pay for masses, say prayers and it somehow changes things and the person gets out sooner. Your sin was your sin. How can other people buy you out of it or Masses buy you out of it? Not sarcastic/ am curious how that would make sense if you are responsible for your own actions.
I thought they uninvented Purgatory. Looking it up I guess not. What was it they changed if it wasn't purgatory
If there is purgatory I don't understand the theology of having other people get you out of your sin. If I understand it right you pay for masses, say prayers and it somehow changes things and the person gets out sooner. Your sin was your sin. How can other people buy you out of it or Masses buy you out of it? Not sarcastic/ am curious how that would make sense if you are responsible for your own actions.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Purgatory is still there as Heaven's mud room.
They backtracked on the necessity of the "limbo of children." joe can explain it better than I can. This is a good start.
Basically, one of the hundred or so brutal embarrassments in Catholic doctrine is because baptism is required for entry into Heaven, an unbaptized dead baby (like all those fetuses that naturally abort 13 seconds after conception) doesn't get to go on eternal play dates with Jesus. This strikes a large portion of the flock as anywhere between "the universe is unfair" which is bad because, you know, God is love, and "who is this church anyway to make up sh-t rules like this?" which is really bad because now donations are on the line.
Little by little the Church has tried to dig its way out of this marketing nightmare without also cutting off either Augustine's nuts or the money firehose by saying "maybe babies do get to go to heaven, we just can never know for sure." This is pretty easy to say in Catholicism because the entire edifice is built on "Sacred Mysteries," which is the Church's way of saying since their doctrine doesn't make logical sense then logic must be wrong. The moons are in your telescope. Original sin itself -- the Catch-22 that d-mns us eternally no matter what we ourselves have ever done -- is merely man trying to figure stuff out for himself rather than just shutting up and letting the Church, cough, I mean Jesus take the wheel.
Purgatory is still there as Heaven's mud room.
They backtracked on the necessity of the "limbo of children." joe can explain it better than I can. This is a good start.
Basically, one of the hundred or so brutal embarrassments in Catholic doctrine is because baptism is required for entry into Heaven, an unbaptized dead baby (like all those fetuses that naturally abort 13 seconds after conception) doesn't get to go on eternal play dates with Jesus. This strikes a large portion of the flock as anywhere between "the universe is unfair" which is bad because, you know, God is love, and "who is this church anyway to make up sh-t rules like this?" which is really bad because now donations are on the line.
Little by little the Church has tried to dig its way out of this marketing nightmare without also cutting off either Augustine's nuts or the money firehose by saying "maybe babies do get to go to heaven, we just can never know for sure." This is pretty easy to say in Catholicism because the entire edifice is built on "Sacred Mysteries," which is the Church's way of saying since their doctrine doesn't make logical sense then logic must be wrong. The moons are in your telescope. Original sin itself -- the Catch-22 that d-mns us eternally no matter what we ourselves have ever done -- is merely man trying to figure stuff out for himself rather than just shutting up and letting the Church, cough, I mean Jesus take the wheel.
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unofan
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If God is all powerful and all knowing, why would he let someone spit in his face if he didn't like it? I think he's got a kinky side.
Limbo- for the unbaptized.
Praying for the dead goes back to Maccabees. They offered sacrifices(prayers?) for the dead. If the dead were already in heaven (or hell for that matter), there would be no need to pray for them.
Once someone is in heaven, we can ask for them to intercede with God for some intention.
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leswp1
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Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
They also can't explain and I am lost about how we aren't supposed to have any other God before Him but people pray to Saints. Again, if God is all powerful he doesn't need a filter or assistance to work out who is important. (Which fits neatly into the description previously posted of Protestants v Catholics)
Ah. We don't have Maccabees. Pretty sure the point of the New Testament is God didn't want the burnt offerings anymore (otherwise we could be still toasting various animals outside the church) because Jesus answered for those. I still don't get how praying is going to make God ignore the bad stuff. What happened to being responsible for yourself? If God is all knowing and seeing AND he gave His only Son who died for our sins, why would prayer and intervention be necessary? Humans may mercenary Capitalists but I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says God is. I have tried to get my FIL or mr les, who are Catholic, to explain this but just hear, "Its a Mystery!!"
They also can't explain and I am lost about how we aren't supposed to have any other God before Him but people pray to Saints. Again, if God is all powerful he doesn't need a filter or assistance to work out who is important. (Which fits neatly into the description previously posted of Protestants v Catholics)
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leswp1
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Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Trump is about as close to the Anti-Christ as you can get if you read the warning of what one is. Then we have the warning that the 'Believers' will be gullible
Trump is about as close to the Anti-Christ as you can get if you read the warning of what one is. Then we have the warning that the 'Believers' will be gullible
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