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Regional Rankings
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Re: Regional Rankings
Still not sure I get how they set up this bracket. Specifically, why #4 seed Geneseo travels to #3 seed Hobart while #5 seed Nichols gets a home game vs #6 Fitchburgh St.?
I don't see travel issues with #3 hosting #6 and #4 hosting #5...so why didn't Geneseo get the home game? This way the bracket would still give preference to #1 Salve as they get the bye and the winner of 4/5 (and still avoid a QF matchup with #2 or #3).
What am I missing? Sorry in advance if this is explained somewhere else...
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I assume Fitchburg State was #6 and Colby #7...could be wrong on that.
Still not sure I get how they set up this bracket. Specifically, why #4 seed Geneseo travels to #3 seed Hobart while #5 seed Nichols gets a home game vs #6 Fitchburgh St.?
I don't see travel issues with #3 hosting #6 and #4 hosting #5...so why didn't Geneseo get the home game? This way the bracket would still give preference to #1 Salve as they get the bye and the winner of 4/5 (and still avoid a QF matchup with #2 or #3).
What am I missing? Sorry in advance if this is explained somewhere else...
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I assume Fitchburg State was #6 and Colby #7...could be wrong on that.
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What it appears they did was set up the bracket so that #1 seed Salve Regina played the lowest ranked team after the first round. It would appear that the only tinkering to the bracket was that Nichols would have been seeded #5 (they were regionally ranked while Colby and Fitchburg were not), but is still playing against Fitchburg. That may have been done for geographical reasons, but it hardly destroyed bracket integrity.
What it appears they did was set up the bracket so that #1 seed Salve Regina played the lowest ranked team after the first round. It would appear that the only tinkering to the bracket was that Nichols would have been seeded #5 (they were regionally ranked while Colby and Fitchburg were not), but is still playing against Fitchburg. That may have been done for geographical reasons, but it hardly destroyed bracket integrity.
Re: Regional Rankings
What is interesting is that some years the national comparison pools all of the teams under consideration together instead of peeling them off one by one. Under that scenario (which was how d3's bracketology did it) Oswego or Trinity gets in. The question is why put a team with such a poor SOS in that position? It makes no sense.
What is interesting is that some years the national comparison pools all of the teams under consideration together instead of peeling them off one by one. Under that scenario (which was how d3's bracketology did it) Oswego or Trinity gets in. The question is why put a team with such a poor SOS in that position? It makes no sense.
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I wonder how much of the committee was new this year and hasn't been through the process before. Seems like such an amateur mistake that I wondered about sabotage.
I wonder how much of the committee was new this year and hasn't been through the process before. Seems like such an amateur mistake that I wondered about sabotage.
Birdwatcher
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The one thing I find funny is that the women's static sheets are released........but the men's aren't. What is too secretive to release ???
The one thing I find funny is that the women's static sheets are released........but the men's aren't. What is too secretive to release ???
Re: Regional Rankings
The East committee doesn't want the public to know how the messed up?
The East committee doesn't want the public to know how the messed up?
Birdwatcher
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Re: Regional Rankings
BTW....on the women's side.....the difference between #1 Norwich & #2 Plattsburgh was so close....WIN +.022 Norwich, SOS +.079 Plattsburgh, RNK, +.045 Norwich...I do not remember one ever being closer.
BTW....on the women's side.....the difference between #1 Norwich & #2 Plattsburgh was so close....WIN +.022 Norwich, SOS +.079 Plattsburgh, RNK, +.045 Norwich...I do not remember one ever being closer.
Re: Regional Rankings
So you are suggesting that Utica's on ice performance is completely rendered irrelevant because of their SOS? If they had gone 3-0-0 or 2-0-1 instead of 1-1-1 against Salve Regina, Adrian, and Oswego that it would not have mattered as the SOS remained the same?
"But their SOS!"
So you are suggesting that Utica's on ice performance is completely rendered irrelevant because of their SOS? If they had gone 3-0-0 or 2-0-1 instead of 1-1-1 against Salve Regina, Adrian, and Oswego that it would not have mattered as the SOS remained the same?
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Sadly, yes, I think that's what I mean. See Adrian their first couple of years when the MIAC didn't have an autobid. They lost one game all year and couldn't get a bid because their SOS sunk them. Any longtime Adrian fans want to open old wounds?
Sadly, yes, I think that's what I mean. See Adrian their first couple of years when the MIAC didn't have an autobid. They lost one game all year and couldn't get a bid because their SOS sunk them. Any longtime Adrian fans want to open old wounds?
Re: Regional Rankings
Would not matter. The UCHC was not exactly stellar out of conference. Look at this table and compare OOC's.
Remember, your in conference SoS is always .500.
Would not matter. The UCHC was not exactly stellar out of conference. Look at this table and compare OOC's.
Remember, your in conference SoS is always .500.
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So when I am considering just how bad the conference did OOC, should I, at least mentally, subtract Utica's 7-1-1 OOC record to show the rest of the league went 16-44-10?
So when I am considering just how bad the conference did OOC, should I, at least mentally, subtract Utica's 7-1-1 OOC record to show the rest of the league went 16-44-10?
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That should get you close, but because of the (odd) way the NCAA computes SOS, it is a little more complex than that. The take the average of the winning percentages rather than the actual record to compute the OWP metric. (This can be statistically misleading) For the OOWP component they take average of the OWP of the teams your opponents played.
That should get you close, but because of the (odd) way the NCAA computes SOS, it is a little more complex than that. The take the average of the winning percentages rather than the actual record to compute the OWP metric. (This can be statistically misleading) For the OOWP component they take average of the OWP of the teams your opponents played.
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That is the worst explanation I've ever heard, and yes it completely destroyed bracket integrity. Show me another bracket anywhere that has the #5 seed playing a home game against a lower seed, while the #4 seed plays an away game at a higher seed....in the first round!!!
Why would they "protect" a 1 seed? The 1 seed gets a bye and gets to lined up to play what is expected to be the lowest team remaining. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 is how the last million brackets in every sport have been set up, until now.
Last year Norwich was a 1 loss far and away 1 seed who didn't even get a bye, so why does a 5 loss Salve team need a bye and need to avoid the scary #4 seed. Norwich last year, of course, faced the 8 seed in round 1, followed by the winner of the 4 vs 5 game like every other bracket known to man. Based on your rationale the bracket last year should have been like 1 vs 8 and they play the winner of the 6 vs 7 game, then on the other half of the draw you have 2 vs 5 and 3 vs 4....right?
Colby is the only school that is 500 miles from Hobart and Geneseo, so there was no rule preventing a normal bracket. Not to mention that they screwed up the bracket so that if Colby beats UNE, now they have to fly Colby to Hobart or Geneseo. Why wouldn't they just put Colby in with Nichols and Salve to avoid any chance of having to fly a team before the final four. That should tell you how intelligent the people putting together this bracket are, they destroyed the bracket to save money and then left the door open to spend even more money if 1 upset happens.
They might as well have gone all out to maximize profits and made Hobart play at lower seed Geneseo. Could have had a crowd of 2200 in Geneseo compared to the 300 Hobart will draw.
That is the worst explanation I've ever heard, and yes it completely destroyed bracket integrity. Show me another bracket anywhere that has the #5 seed playing a home game against a lower seed, while the #4 seed plays an away game at a higher seed....in the first round!!!
Why would they "protect" a 1 seed? The 1 seed gets a bye and gets to lined up to play what is expected to be the lowest team remaining. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 is how the last million brackets in every sport have been set up, until now.
Last year Norwich was a 1 loss far and away 1 seed who didn't even get a bye, so why does a 5 loss Salve team need a bye and need to avoid the scary #4 seed. Norwich last year, of course, faced the 8 seed in round 1, followed by the winner of the 4 vs 5 game like every other bracket known to man. Based on your rationale the bracket last year should have been like 1 vs 8 and they play the winner of the 6 vs 7 game, then on the other half of the draw you have 2 vs 5 and 3 vs 4....right?
Colby is the only school that is 500 miles from Hobart and Geneseo, so there was no rule preventing a normal bracket. Not to mention that they screwed up the bracket so that if Colby beats UNE, now they have to fly Colby to Hobart or Geneseo. Why wouldn't they just put Colby in with Nichols and Salve to avoid any chance of having to fly a team before the final four. That should tell you how intelligent the people putting together this bracket are, they destroyed the bracket to save money and then left the door open to spend even more money if 1 upset happens.
They might as well have gone all out to maximize profits and made Hobart play at lower seed Geneseo. Could have had a crowd of 2200 in Geneseo compared to the 300 Hobart will draw.
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I'm sorry you feel that way, but while the bracket isn't perfect, and from someone without a team in the tournament, it made some sense. I think Adrian has more of a gripe about its first opponent than Geneseo does. Hobart is probably a #6 overall seed in this tournament and Geneseo would be lower than that. Hobart v. Geneseo isn't that big a stretch. And sorry, but you aren't paying for the tournament and money is a factor.
That's the semifinal round, not the QF round. The semis are set up to be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3. If they all win. This was set up to get as close to a 1 v 8 matchup as they could, with their other restrictions. Salve is certainly the top seed in the east and will get the lowest remaining eastern team after the first round. (St. Norbert out west is also getting the lowest western team remaining). Again, if you want to complain for someone, Adrian is almost certainly #2 in the west (and possibly #2 overall) and is playing the probable #3 or #4 team in the whole tournament in the QF.
Oh, and just because you don't agree with the explanation doesn't make it a bad one. Calm down and enjoy your March hockey. At least your team is still playing...
I'm sorry you feel that way, but while the bracket isn't perfect, and from someone without a team in the tournament, it made some sense. I think Adrian has more of a gripe about its first opponent than Geneseo does. Hobart is probably a #6 overall seed in this tournament and Geneseo would be lower than that. Hobart v. Geneseo isn't that big a stretch. And sorry, but you aren't paying for the tournament and money is a factor.
That's the semifinal round, not the QF round. The semis are set up to be 1 v 4 and 2 v 3. If they all win. This was set up to get as close to a 1 v 8 matchup as they could, with their other restrictions. Salve is certainly the top seed in the east and will get the lowest remaining eastern team after the first round. (St. Norbert out west is also getting the lowest western team remaining). Again, if you want to complain for someone, Adrian is almost certainly #2 in the west (and possibly #2 overall) and is playing the probable #3 or #4 team in the whole tournament in the QF.
Oh, and just because you don't agree with the explanation doesn't make it a bad one. Calm down and enjoy your March hockey. At least your team is still playing...
Russell Jaslow
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Re: Regional Rankings
Colby will not fly if this happens. There's been precedence before when it came to Maine teams forced to bus over 500 miles within the Northeast.
Colby will not fly if this happens. There's been precedence before when it came to Maine teams forced to bus over 500 miles within the Northeast.
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And now I've learned something new today. There was discussion on the d3hoops board that they thought that 500 mile number was etched in stone and couldn't be excepted.
And now I've learned something new today. There was discussion on the d3hoops board that they thought that 500 mile number was etched in stone and couldn't be excepted.
Russell Jaslow
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Re: Regional Rankings
All I'm saying is that they made Bowdoin women's team bus to Elmira when Elmira hosted the D3 championships in the first two years. And I'm pretty sure it's over 500 miles. And I'm pretty sure I remember Bowdoin not being happy about it at all.
All I'm saying is that they made Bowdoin women's team bus to Elmira when Elmira hosted the D3 championships in the first two years. And I'm pretty sure it's over 500 miles. And I'm pretty sure I remember Bowdoin not being happy about it at all.