Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Regional Rankings
Blind faith in the clearly flawed process isn't worth it either.
Blind faith in the clearly flawed process isn't worth it either.
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Regional Rankings
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Re: Regional Rankings
Just goes to show you that bad things can happen if you hang around Utica too much.......
Along the lines of a bowel-movement.
This ranking is fairly ridiculous. Where's Endicott? And Hobart is ranked far too high. Oswego, a bit too high as well.
(Yes, I realize that "revised" rankings can easily be pulled out of their azzes next week. They can always massage the numbers at their pleasure.)
Utica is ranked too high.
Birdwatcher
Registered User
+1
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: Regional Rankings
Where should Utica be, in your opinion?
I think #7 E is accurate, but Endicott, Hobart and Oswego are not where they ought to be, in mine.
Do tell, I'm curious... And I invite Birdwatcher, NUP, and everyone else to do the same.
It's easy to hide behind the status quo, but somewhat more difficult to defend it.
Where should Utica be, in your opinion?
I think #7 E is accurate, but Endicott, Hobart and Oswego are not where they ought to be, in mine.
Do tell, I'm curious... And I invite Birdwatcher, NUP, and everyone else to do the same.
It's easy to hide behind the status quo, but somewhat more difficult to defend it.
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Birdwatcher
Registered User
Re: Regional Rankings
One thing to remember...it is the NCAA's party....they invite the "Guests" Below is the link to the rankings. If you go to that page and at the bottom....click on the links to the static pages...it is quite clear how they decide who to invite and in what order.....it is simple....if you don't want to go to their party (if you are invited) don't go...for many years the NESCAC didn't ! https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/icehockey-men/d3 I will be honest, I rejected the reasoning for many years because i didn't see it their way...but after you understand how they set up their party...it is fair and the numbers do not lie !
One thing to remember...it is the NCAA's party....they invite the "Guests" Below is the link to the rankings. If you go to that page and at the bottom....click on the links to the static pages...it is quite clear how they decide who to invite and in what order.....it is simple....if you don't want to go to their party (if you are invited) don't go...for many years the NESCAC didn't ! https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/icehockey-men/d3 I will be honest, I rejected the reasoning for many years because i didn't see it their way...but after you understand how they set up their party...it is fair and the numbers do not lie !
cetihcra
New member
Unfortunately, there aren’t nearly enough intraregion games, or even intraconference games (especially in the east) to make a purely objective rating system, such as RPI or KRACH, valuable or remotely accurate. How many E v. W games were there this year? 5 maybe? A handful of games can’t decide who is better between a Norwich and a Marian.
D3 is a massive entity in all sports, spanning the country from coast to coast. This isn’t the only sport where teams that have never seen each other, and have no common opponents, are compared. With a much more limited schedule and budget than D1, the NCAA decided that criteria with some room for subjectivity would be best, and I don’t disagree. So, accept what it is, and trust in the league/school reps to make good decisions, or keep beating your head against the wall. Only one of those choices will kill you
r
Re: Regional Rankings
Looking at Utica(and I know all of D3's logistics) I see, UC beat #1 Salvina, tied #4 Oz, in Oswego and Oz pulled their goalie in the last minute to get the fortunate tie, and lost to #1 Adrean away by one goal.
They are 20-5 in a weaker league(SOS hurts) not their fault Hobart left the league. No AQ (again) ECAC West I believe was supposed to get one this yr but the name changed and they added new teams.
They can play with "anybody" in D3 (except the two hiccups against Elmira)
Looks like even with a win Saturday beating Elmira they aren't going to make it.
League Champions and maybe Tourney Champs(IF they win)
They get royally screwed, of course it's all mute if the lose Saturday, I would assume.
I follow D1 but D3 has to change their rules. Just my .02 cents.
Looking at Utica(and I know all of D3's logistics) I see, UC beat #1 Salvina, tied #4 Oz, in Oswego and Oz pulled their goalie in the last minute to get the fortunate tie, and lost to #1 Adrean away by one goal.
They are 20-5 in a weaker league(SOS hurts) not their fault Hobart left the league. No AQ (again) ECAC West I believe was supposed to get one this yr but the name changed and they added new teams.
They can play with "anybody" in D3 (except the two hiccups against Elmira)
Looks like even with a win Saturday beating Elmira they aren't going to make it.
League Champions and maybe Tourney Champs(IF they win)
They get royally screwed, of course it's all mute if the lose Saturday, I would assume.
I follow D1 but D3 has to change their rules. Just my .02 cents.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Regional Rankings
Maybe...
We're getting 6-10" of snow tonight.
Fish and the groundhog. That does have a ring to it.
Maybe...
We're getting 6-10" of snow tonight.
Fish and the groundhog. That does have a ring to it.
Re: Regional Rankings
Actually there were at least 14 East vs. West games this season that I count. Adrain, St. Thomas, St. Norbert's, Lake forest, Northland, and Lawrence all played eastern teams. The East holding a slight edge in the results 7-6-1. Biggest games to note for the EAST were Salve beating Adrian 6-2, Nichols beating St. Thomas 3-1, Manhattanville 2-2 tie and 2-1 OT loss to St. Norbert's. Adrians wins over Trinity and Utica were the West's big wins.
Unfortunately, there aren’t nearly enough intraregion games, or even intraconference games (especially in the east) to make a purely objective rating system, such as RPI or KRACH, valuable or remotely accurate. How many E v. W games were there this year? 5 maybe? A handful of games can’t decide who is better between a Norwich and a Marian.
D3 is a massive entity in all sports, spanning the country from coast to coast. This isn’t the only sport where teams that have never seen each other, and have no common opponents, are compared. With a much more limited schedule and budget than D1, the NCAA decided that criteria with some room for subjectivity would be best, and I don’t disagree. So, accept what it is, and trust in the league/school reps to make good decisions, or keep beating your head against the wall. Only one of those choices will kill you
r
Actually there were at least 14 East vs. West games this season that I count. Adrain, St. Thomas, St. Norbert's, Lake forest, Northland, and Lawrence all played eastern teams. The East holding a slight edge in the results 7-6-1. Biggest games to note for the EAST were Salve beating Adrian 6-2, Nichols beating St. Thomas 3-1, Manhattanville 2-2 tie and 2-1 OT loss to St. Norbert's. Adrians wins over Trinity and Utica were the West's big wins.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
14 games out of how many....?? ...81 teams....25 games each... Sorry...not enough data.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
How do they get screwed. Who would they replace? Back up your statement or are you just going to be an offspring of Fish and spout off with no backing?
Check your facts, that game was in Utica.
Tom Coughlin
5x NCAA Champ/2x Super Bowl Champ
Re: Regional Rankings
SNC totally would have won the title in 2015...
...if their NCAA player of the year goalie didn't break his leg and the team didn't tank down the stretch.
SNC totally would have won the title in 2015...
...if their NCAA player of the year goalie didn't break his leg and the team didn't tank down the stretch.
cetihcra
New member
Re: Regional Rankings
14 is a good number, more than a lot of years. Out of 1800 or so D3 games, not statistically relevant.
r
14 is a good number, more than a lot of years. Out of 1800 or so D3 games, not statistically relevant.
r
Well, if we are going to speculate, there WAS that one year and Adrian.........
Re: Regional Rankings
Can't recall the season, but the year Trinity went from #1 in the east to out of the tournament without playing a game comes to mind. Seemed they would have had a legitimate shot at the title that year. Bottom line is always win your games and you'll get in. Lose, and you put yourself at the mercy of a shaky process...
Can't recall the season, but the year Trinity went from #1 in the east to out of the tournament without playing a game comes to mind. Seemed they would have had a legitimate shot at the title that year. Bottom line is always win your games and you'll get in. Lose, and you put yourself at the mercy of a shaky process...