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Regional Rankings are up!
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elbojpb
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W/E Primary Criteria Tables
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St Thomas wins none of the 5 criterion!?
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Team Win% Opp% Oop% SOS% RkOp%
Wis-Sup 0.540 0.565 0.529 0.553 0.375
St Tho 0.600 0.518 0.485 0.507 0.400
MSOE 0.848 0.404 0.500 0.436 0.500
Winner MSOE WSup WSup WSup MSOESt Thomas wins none of the 5 criterion!?
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Re: Regional Rankings are up!
Why not? they are 2-2 against ranked teams, they are 19-3-1 on the season. Only 5 teams in the west with a .500 or better mark against ranked teams. Of the teams that are ranked ahead of them in the east 2 are under .500 against ranked teams1@.500 and then Oswego and Elmira. They played and beat all but 4 teams on the schedule...have not played very well the past 2 weeks but before that were rolling loss against Bowdoin 3-2 had a goal disallowed and out shot the 38-22,Colby they were just plain flat.
Why not? they are 2-2 against ranked teams, they are 19-3-1 on the season. Only 5 teams in the west with a .500 or better mark against ranked teams. Of the teams that are ranked ahead of them in the east 2 are under .500 against ranked teams1@.500 and then Oswego and Elmira. They played and beat all but 4 teams on the schedule...have not played very well the past 2 weeks but before that were rolling loss against Bowdoin 3-2 had a goal disallowed and out shot the 38-22,Colby they were just plain flat.
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
Look at your SOS metric. That's the reason many people won't buy the USCHO ranking.
Look at your SOS metric. That's the reason many people won't buy the USCHO ranking.
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Prof I agree but not much they could do about the schedule this year, you still have to give them credit for going 15 games strait without a loss no matter who you are playing....look some of the top teams who lost last weekend to lesser competition. I think they have made great strides from a year ago, still have work to do but I believe they can play with any of the top teams.
Prof I agree but not much they could do about the schedule this year, you still have to give them credit for going 15 games strait without a loss no matter who you are playing....look some of the top teams who lost last weekend to lesser competition. I think they have made great strides from a year ago, still have work to do but I believe they can play with any of the top teams.
Josh Carey
Stats Guy
Agreed. See Plymouth State.
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
You can't even compare SOS between Castleton and Plymouth State ..I know you like to throw that out there but say nothing about Plattsburg losing to Cortland, a 5-16-2 team
You can't even compare SOS between Castleton and Plymouth State ..I know you like to throw that out there but say nothing about Plattsburg losing to Cortland, a 5-16-2 team
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
seeing as you want to give Sunyac all the props then take into account that Castleton beat Morrisville(who just beat Oswego and Plattsburg earlier in the year) and Brockport who beat Geneseo....you may not like it but they beat teams that have beat the teams that you DO give all the credit to
seeing as you want to give Sunyac all the props then take into account that Castleton beat Morrisville(who just beat Oswego and Plattsburg earlier in the year) and Brockport who beat Geneseo....you may not like it but they beat teams that have beat the teams that you DO give all the credit to
Birdwatcher
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Believe it or not, as far as the NCAA is concerned, losing to a non ranked team does not hurt as much as losing to a ranked team! Go figure. BTW: You started the winning streak thing against weak SOS teams. That is why Joecct brought up Plymouth. You said "no matter who you are playing"
Believe it or not, as far as the NCAA is concerned, losing to a non ranked team does not hurt as much as losing to a ranked team! Go figure. BTW: You started the winning streak thing against weak SOS teams. That is why Joecct brought up Plymouth. You said "no matter who you are playing"
collegehcky2
Vinegar Strokes
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
That's flawed logic. Franklin Pierce beat So. New Hampshire who beat UNE who beat Becker who beat Nichols who beat Babson who beat Wesleyan who beat Hamilton who beat Oswego. So Franklin Pierce should get credit for beating someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat Oswego?
That's flawed logic. Franklin Pierce beat So. New Hampshire who beat UNE who beat Becker who beat Nichols who beat Babson who beat Wesleyan who beat Hamilton who beat Oswego. So Franklin Pierce should get credit for beating someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat someone who beat Oswego?
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
While I don't disagree the fact that some of the posters on this site don't want to give the Castleton team any credit and my point was they played who was scheduled and took care of the Suny team that were on the schedule...and these teams beat some good teams in the conference, so to purely say that their SOS was so poor they deserve no consideration is unfair,this being said I do understand the NCAA's formula but posters on here to? Castletons ability to compete is crap.
While I don't disagree the fact that some of the posters on this site don't want to give the Castleton team any credit and my point was they played who was scheduled and took care of the Suny team that were on the schedule...and these teams beat some good teams in the conference, so to purely say that their SOS was so poor they deserve no consideration is unfair,this being said I do understand the NCAA's formula but posters on here to? Castletons ability to compete is crap.
puckrfactor
New member
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
WOW.......My head is hurting!
WOW.......My head is hurting!
Birdwatcher
Registered User
VermontfaninNY
Active member
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
Bottom line is that Castleton faces their toughest weekend of the year this weekend. They have only faced 3 ranked games so far and have gone 2-1. If they get 2 wins against two more ranked teams this weekend, they should be in, going 4-1.
Adrian is 2-2-1 as of now against ranked teams and faces two more this weekend against Milwaukee.
Milwaukee is 1-2-1 against ranked teams.
If Castleton wins they should be in. If they go 1-1 and Adrian wins both they are in. If they all split or if Castleton loses and Milwaukee wins twice, it is going to be utter chaos.
Bottom line is that Castleton faces their toughest weekend of the year this weekend. They have only faced 3 ranked games so far and have gone 2-1. If they get 2 wins against two more ranked teams this weekend, they should be in, going 4-1.
Adrian is 2-2-1 as of now against ranked teams and faces two more this weekend against Milwaukee.
Milwaukee is 1-2-1 against ranked teams.
If Castleton wins they should be in. If they go 1-1 and Adrian wins both they are in. If they all split or if Castleton loses and Milwaukee wins twice, it is going to be utter chaos.
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According to NCAA data, Castleton is 2-2 vs ranked opposition,Hobart 4-5-1,Utica 6-7,Adrian 3-1-1,Hamline3-2,Milwaukee 2-2-1, so alot of the teams did not play teams ranked and those that did lost quite a few games....
According to NCAA data, Castleton is 2-2 vs ranked opposition,Hobart 4-5-1,Utica 6-7,Adrian 3-1-1,Hamline3-2,Milwaukee 2-2-1, so alot of the teams did not play teams ranked and those that did lost quite a few games....
Re: Regional Rankings are up!
Castleton is actually 1-2 against ranked teams…Beat Norwich Once and lost to Norwich once…Also lost to Bowdoin. This weekend will be a very interesting one. I think Castleton needs to win both games this weekend or they may be out. Of course unless they get the Pool A bid by winning the ECAC East.
Castleton is actually 1-2 against ranked teams…Beat Norwich Once and lost to Norwich once…Also lost to Bowdoin. This weekend will be a very interesting one. I think Castleton needs to win both games this weekend or they may be out. Of course unless they get the Pool A bid by winning the ECAC East.
NorthernLite
Registered User
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Castleton have an opportunity to win to get in. I don't doubt that Castleton would compete well with tougher opponents, but unfortunately their schedule doesn't satisfy this important criteria. The respect for the program and the opportunity to be considered for invitation to the dance will only be achieved with quality wins and quality losses.
Be satisfied that Pool A is an option and take advantage.
Adrian's only chance in those early years was an at large bid.
The Castleton noise here isn't quite as loud.
I get the message ....but there is a huge difference between Castleton's situation hear & now and Adrian's there & then.
Castleton have an opportunity to win to get in. I don't doubt that Castleton would compete well with tougher opponents, but unfortunately their schedule doesn't satisfy this important criteria. The respect for the program and the opportunity to be considered for invitation to the dance will only be achieved with quality wins and quality losses.
Be satisfied that Pool A is an option and take advantage.
Adrian's only chance in those early years was an at large bid.
The Castleton noise here isn't quite as loud.
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I don't disagree that a tougher schedule is needed, but I don't see the same knocks on Norwich this year who played the same schedule as Castleton, and then Platty 2 times, Nichols and Manhattanville and Middlebury...Castletons out of League opponents of Becker(7-1) Brockport(5-1),Morrisville(9-2) team that beat both Oswego and Plattsburg,Johnson & Wales(5-0) and Potsdam(6-2) were easy wins...so don't get me wrong as I agree that a tougher schedule is needed but don't totally discount the season they have had this year after a dismal 9-12-5 season a year ago.
I don't disagree that a tougher schedule is needed, but I don't see the same knocks on Norwich this year who played the same schedule as Castleton, and then Platty 2 times, Nichols and Manhattanville and Middlebury...Castletons out of League opponents of Becker(7-1) Brockport(5-1),Morrisville(9-2) team that beat both Oswego and Plattsburg,Johnson & Wales(5-0) and Potsdam(6-2) were easy wins...so don't get me wrong as I agree that a tougher schedule is needed but don't totally discount the season they have had this year after a dismal 9-12-5 season a year ago.