Realignment Rumors

[Sean Pickett]

Re: Realignment Rumors

There is a mathematical problem with this. It can't be done the way you described with the two leagues having different numbers of teams. You are talking about a 6-team western conference and a 10-team HEA. (Correct?) The western teams would in total play 6*8=48 games vs. the HEA, while the HEA teams would play 10*8=80 games agaisnt the west. That does not compute. Each of the western teams would have to play more eastern teams than vice versa. One way would be if each HEA team played 6 western games while each western team played 10 eastern games.

This is bad math. The 6 western teams would play a total of 10 games each vs HE, for a total of 60 games. The 10 HE teams would play a total of 6 games each vs the western teams, for a total of 60 games.

The issue is that the 3 Beanpot teams currently only have 5 available non-conference games. They only way to have an interlocking schedule would be to drop HE league play to an 18 game schedule (as previously mentioned).

Sean

 

[uaafanblog]

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This suggestion was first floated in the Denver newspaper.

This suggestion was first floated by DG and Swami TO the Denver newspaper. They started the rumor ... he reported it. Then they came back and highlighted his reporting of the rumor. Don't ever say DG doesn't watch FOX news.

And notice now how all you people are talking about it? Kevin Pates got mentally abused at the Frozen Four by this "buzz" of something that is actually NOTHING.

DG should apologize to the "journalists" for abusing them. Or perhaps these "journalists" should act like "jounalists".

 

[Sean Pickett]

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It worked great? Then why did it stop after a few years?

The interlocking schedule was made when the WCHA was at 6 teams and HE was at 7 teams. The original schedule had each team playing 2 vs each team in the other league. This would have given the WCHA a total of 20 WCHA games and 14 HE games for 34 total games (the NCAA limit was 38 games at the time). HE would have had 3*7=18 HE games and 2*6=12 WCHA games for 30 total games. However the WCHA expanded to 8 teams before the interlocking schedule began. This would have made the schedule 28 (7*4) + 14 = 42 games, so this forced the WCHA into pod scheduling of 3*4=12 + 4*2=8 for the same 20 WCHA games. HE was able to add the additional 4 WCHA games for a total of 34 games. After the original 2 year agreement it was modified to have each team play 1 vs each team in the other league. This new agreement allowed the WCHA to go to a full 7*4=28 game WCHA schedule plus 7 HE games for 35 total games. HE went to 6*4=24 HE games plus 8 WCHA games for 32 total games. The following season HE went back to 6*3=18 HE games. In 1989 HE added Merrimack, which was probably the determinibg factor in the ending of the interlocking agreement.

Sean

 

[dggoddard]

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This suggestion was first floated by DG and Swami TO the Denver newspaper. They started the rumor ... he reported it. Then they came back and highlighted his reporting of the rumor. Don't ever say DG doesn't watch FOX news.

And notice now how all you people are talking about it? Kevin Pates got mentally abused at the Frozen Four by this "buzz" of something that is actually NOTHING.

DG should apologize to the "journalists" for abusing them. Or perhaps these "journalists" should act like "jounalists".

Lemme see if I have this straight.

I started the rumor between afternoon viewings of the Glen Beck Show and The Factor.

Then I recruited Puck Swami to also post the rumor [the so-called "Second Shooter on the Grassy Knoll."]

Mike Chambers picked up on the online chatter and posted an article in his blog.

Somehow Notre Dame caught wind of the rumor and quit the CCHA effective in 2013-14.

Then the smaller Minnesota schools let it be known that they didn't want to/couldn't afford to fly to games and opted out of the proposed Super Six Conference.

Once Scott Sandelin heard that Duluth wouldn't join the Super Six, he had his agent call Penn State.

The WCHA media guys not wanting to get left behind on the story of the decade by Mike Chambers [a.k.a. The Brad Malone Mangler], picked up on the story at the Final 5 in St. Paul.

By the Frozen Four, the story is completely out of control and schools like Clarkson, RPI, RIT, St Lawrence, Union and Colgate are firing coaches and making plans to form their own mini-conferences.

 

[CHFAN222]

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The easiest way for HE to get more games with WCHA teams would be for HE to drop the total # of league games. The easiest way for this to happen would be for 2 more schools to join HE men such as UCONN for men, URI, or Syracuse. The latter 2 would have to decide to bite the bullet and start a mens team while UCONN would have to finally decide to invest in their program. IDK how much truth there is to the ND rumours but the other 3 schools mentioned would seem like the most likely schools to add programs to HE.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I don't think it's going to happen, either. On the other hand, MN just traded in 4-6 road trips a year of 200 miles or less for the privilege of traveling to Columbus, Ohio and State College, Pennsylvania, so I also don't have a lot of faith in college presidents and athletic directors doing anything that makes sense to most people.

But there is actually a reason behind that and we all know that Minnesota was probably a dissenting opinion on the B1G Mistake. They traded traditional, close hockey teams for the affiliation they've had in everything else since 1896. As much as it sucks, it's hard to argue with...what tradition do CC,DU, and UND have with UNO, Miami and Notre Dame?

 

[ecbrevik]

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You will still see Minnesota and North Dakota play, but possibly only one series a year.

I think one UND-Mn series a year is already the best case for fans of those teams.

 

[ecbrevik]

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But there is actually a reason behind that and we all know that Minnesota was probably a dissenting opinion on the B1G Mistake. They traded traditional, close hockey teams for the affiliation they've had in everything else since 1896. As much as it sucks, it's hard to argue with...what tradition do CC,DU, and UND have with UNO, Miami and Notre Dame?

Well, UND and UNO could start the Blais cup, and UND and Notre Dame could fight over the interlocking ND. UND and Miami could start a hostile and abusive nickname runoff.

 

[Runninwiththedogs]

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The interlocking schedule was made when the WCHA was at 6 teams and HE was at 7 teams. The original schedule had each team playing 2 vs each team in the other league. This would have given the WCHA a total of 20 WCHA games and 14 HE games for 34 total games (the NCAA limit was 38 games at the time). HE would have had 3*7=18 HE games and 2*6=12 WCHA games for 30 total games. However the WCHA expanded to 8 teams before the interlocking schedule began. This would have made the schedule 28 (7*4) + 14 = 42 games, so this forced the WCHA into pod scheduling of 3*4=12 + 4*2=8 for the same 20 WCHA games. HE was able to add the additional 4 WCHA games for a total of 34 games. AFter the original 2 year agreement it was modified to have each team play 1 vs each team in the other league. This new agreement allowed the WCHA to go to a full 7*4=28 game WCHA schedule plus 7 HE games for 35 total games. HE went to 6*4=24 HE games plus 8 WCHA games for 32 total games. The following season HE went back to 6*3=18 HE games. In 1989 HE added Merrimack, which is probably was the determinibg factor in the ending of the interlocking agreement.

Sean

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STOP SIGNING YOUR POSTS. Holy ****. We know your name. It's over there, to the left of your post. You're not writing us a letter.

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[uaafanblog]

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Lemme see if I have this straight.

I started the rumor between afternoon viewings of the Glen Beck Show and The Factor.

Then I recruited Puck Swami to also post the rumor [the so-called "Second Shooter on the Grassy Knoll."]

Mike Chambers picked up on the online chatter and posted an article in his blog.

Somehow Notre Dame caught wind of the rumor and quit the CCHA effective in 2013-14.

Then the smaller Minnesota schools let it be known that they didn't want to/couldn't afford to fly to games and opted out of the proposed Super Six Conference.

Once Scott Sandelin heard that Duluth wouldn't join the Super Six, he had his agent call Penn State.

The WCHA media guys not wanted to get left behind on the story of the decade by Mike Chambers [a.k.a. The Brad Malone Mangler], picked up on the story at the Final 5 in St. Paul.

By the Frozen Four, the story is completely out of control and schools like Clarkson, RPI, RIT, St Lawrence, Union and Colgate are firing coaches and making plans to form their own mini-conferences.

Uncle Eddie would be so proud of you.

 

[blazer777]

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Lemme see if I have this straight.

I started the rumor between afternoon viewings of the Glen Beck Show and The Factor.

Then I recruited Puck Swami to also post the rumor [the so-called "Second Shooter on the Grassy Knoll."]



Mike Chambers picked up on the online chatter and posted an article in his blog.

Somehow Notre Dame caught wind of the rumor and quit the CCHA effective in 2013-14.

Then the smaller Minnesota schools let it be known that they didn't want to/couldn't afford to fly to games and opted out of the proposed Super Six Conference.

Once Scott Sandelin heard that Duluth wouldn't join the Super Six, he had his agent call Penn State.

The WCHA media guys not wanting to get left behind on the story of the decade by Mike Chambers [a.k.a. The Brad Malone Mangler], picked up on the story at the Final 5 in St. Paul.

By the Frozen Four, the story is completely out of control and schools like Clarkson, RPI, RIT, St Lawrence, Union and Colgate are firing coaches and making plans to form their own mini-conferences.

Let the other teams fire their coaches, we'll keep ours, thank you very much.

If Niagara and RMU join in too, we'll be the 'Super 8'. Better than the hotel chain I hope.

 

[joecct]

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This suggestion was first floated by DG and Swami TO the Denver newspaper. They started the rumor ... he reported it. Then they came back and highlighted his reporting of the rumor. Don't ever say DG doesn't watch FOX news.

And notice now how all you people are talking about it? Kevin Pates got mentally abused at the Frozen Four by this "buzz" of something that is actually NOTHING.

DG should apologize to the "journalists" for abusing them. Or perhaps these "journalists" should act like "jounalists".

According to my original post, Rumor #1 started in the Duluth newspaper. Get your Double D's straight.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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According to my original post, Rumor #1 started in the Duluth newspaper. Get your Double D's straight.

Sorry but the original rumors were up way before Jess Myers said that...

 

[du78]

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According to my original post, Rumor #1 started in the Duluth newspaper. Get your Double D's straight.

Here is from a poster on the LetsGoDU blog

This rumor has been around since the first weekend of the year. There have been variances in what the actual 6 teams would be. The 3 who are always in the conversation are DU, UND and Miami. At various times it was UMD taking Notre Dame's place, with Notre Dame going to Hockey East. CC and UNO sort of weaved their way in and out of the conversations.

I also heard about the possibility of 2 eastern schools entering the mix. The most intriguing scenario involved DU, UND, Miami, Notre Dame/UMD and the 2 eastern schools as being the core 6, while offering a 7th and 8th spot to CC and UNO. For what its worth, I heard the rumor of the eastern schools straight from WCHA higher-ups.

 

[uaafanblog]

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According to my original post, Rumor #1 started in the Duluth newspaper. Get your Double D's straight.

According to reality...

The origination of this rumor is last summer on Damien Goddard's blog (it's dayum near a year old now).

DG and/or Swami originally pondered this on his blog as a "mid-major alternative anti-bthc" and I labeled it BHHC, then they brought it here, guided and developed it by inferring that there were people other than themselves contemplating it, engaged their local reporter to "report" it, then after he did they waved their arms saying ... "look look; a journalist is reporting it", then the rumors reached the Frozen Four and Kevin Pates mentioned them.

These events are entirely akin to Edward Bernay's employing young women in the early 1900's to walk around NYC smoking cigarettes and making it fashionable. Damien Goddard understands how perception management works.

 

[peten16]

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To me conference realignments should make sense for the participants before I start believing in the possibility. I don't understand how an anti-Big 10 conference benefits those schools over their present situation. While the Big 10 had money as the overriding reason to form that conference, I don't see an enhanced TV deal out of this, nor a strengthening of rivalries to boost attendance. All I do see are increased travel costs as have been mentioned already as well as a lot tougher road to reach the NCAA's.

Exactly. And teams like Miami and Nd are glad to have UM and MSU out of their way so they can just beat up on LSSU and Ferris. They will be more consistent tourney contenders.

 

[Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.]

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Exactly. And teams like Miami and Nd are glad to have UM and MSU out of their way so they can just beat up on LSSU and Ferris. They will be more consistent tourney contenders.

As a Notre Dame fan, I have to disagree with this sentiment (and I would be willing to bet I'm not alone in the ND...or the Miami...camp for that matter). I love playing all the teams in the league and don't look past any one team or am arrogant enough to think my team can always "beat up on" anyone else.

 

[redhawk95]

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Well, UND and UNO could start the Blais cup, and UND and Notre Dame could fight over the interlocking ND. UND and Miami could start a hostile and abusive nickname runoff.

And Blais and Blasi will fight over the correct spelling of last names.

 

[dggoddard]

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NY Times: "It is emblematic of what college athletics have become: a shifting flow of allegiances. Money, in the form of television packages, Bowl Championship Series potential and a desire to run with a hipper crowd, has torn the connective tissue of rivalries, even geography."

In other words, "Follow the money."

 

[4four4]

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You will still see Minnesota and North Dakota play, but possibly only one series a year.

Only if they play in MPLS every year otherwise I could see the series being played every so often.