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Realignment Rumors

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Craig P. said:
No <em>new</em> play-ups. As the part you bolded makes clear, the existing play-ups are grandfathered in.
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I assume that RIT would be able to move their women's program to D-I claiming based on Title 9 as could any other school with a D-I men's program but no D-I women's program.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I assume that RIT would be able to move their women's program to D-I claiming based on Title 9 as could any other school with a D-I men's program but no D-I women's program.
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Interesting, I would think RIT might not since they are in fact playing up with no scholarships so there is no inequality by Title IX standards? As for the other DIII schools, I'm pretty sure they have to play up in something right now to be compliant with Title IX, IE Colorado College has D1 Women's Soccer. The DII schools are different because its about total scholarship athletes, not D1 athletes vs D2 athletes.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Interesting, I would think RIT might not since they are in fact playing up with no scholarships so there is no inequality by Title IX standards? As for the other DIII schools, I'm pretty sure they have to play up in something right now to be compliant with Title IX, IE Colorado College has D1 Women's Soccer. The DII schools are different because its about total scholarship athletes, not D1 athletes vs D2 athletes.
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Good points about the D-II schools. Besides RIT, the other D-III schools all have a D-I women's team. All except CC are in hockey. Union, like RIT, can't give scholarships, but it's women's team is D-I.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
This of course brings up the question: why doesn't the NCAA just have a "collegiate" hockey championship for D-I and D-II together?
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BINGO!!!!

And, then start making conferences based on fiscal sanity, not "prestige". For example, combine the GLIAC and the Northern Sun hockey schools into one conference.
 
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joecct said:
BINGO!!!!

And, then start making conferences based on fiscal sanity, not "prestige". For example, combine the GLIAC and the Northern Sun hockey schools into one conference.
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Or maybe the small hockey programs shouldnt rely on the big schools as a charity/welfare program.
 
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joecct said:
BINGO!!!!

And, then start making conferences based on fiscal sanity, not "prestige". For example, combine the GLIAC and the Northern Sun hockey schools into one conference.
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I fail to see how that is any different than the proposed "Super 6."

gophfan said:
Or maybe the small hockey programs shouldnt rely on the big schools as a charity/welfare program.
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The flaw in this argument is that the D-II "small schools" (many of whom are actually larger than the D-I "big schools") have been operating in an environment where Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State have bumped attendance for 20 to 60 years (and season ticket holders have come to expect that those schools will visit with some regularity). Now, through no fault of their own, the BTHC schools leave and pull that revenue stream out from under them. My problem with the "D-II schools shouldn't rely on the BTHC schools charity" argument is that none of the schools are going to the BTHC asking for money (it's not really charity then, is it?). They are simply saying that it will be tougher to operate in this new economic environment with BTHC schools not visiting as often (if at all). In fact, I don't recall reading any school saying that the departure of BTHC schools will make it impossible to continue operation.
 
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moose97 said:
I fail to see how that is any different than the proposed "Super 6."
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It's not. There is nothing wrong with the Super 6 or the BTHC, either. Schools need to maximize their income and minimize their costs. If they can do it by forming a TV conference -- great. If they do a cost containment league (AHA) -- that works, too.

The GLIAC and NSC alliance would be an example of a cost containment league with some great traditions - and the McNaughton Cup to top it all!
 
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joecct said:
It's not. There is nothing wrong with the Super 6 or the BTHC, either. Schools need to maximize their income and minimize their costs. If they can do it by forming a TV conference -- great. If they do a cost containment league (AHA) -- that works, too.

The GLIAC and NSC alliance would be an example of a cost containment league with some great traditions - and the McNaughton Cup to top it all!
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Tell me how a GLIAC/NSC would involve cost containment for a school like Ferris State? In this alignment what happens to Western Michigan and Bowling Green?
 
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joecct said:
It's not. There is nothing wrong with the Super 6 or the BTHC, either. Schools need to maximize their income and minimize their costs. If they can do it by forming a TV conference -- great. If they do a cost containment league (AHA) -- that works, too.

The GLIAC and NSC alliance would be an example of a cost containment league with some great traditions - and the McNaughton Cup to top it all!
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Shirtless Guy said:
Tell me how a GLIAC/NSC would involve cost containment for a school like Ferris State? In this alignment what happens to Western Michigan and Bowling Green?
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My two thoughts here (and please note, the NSIC includes an I just like GLIAC):

1) If some sort of "Super 6" does go down, Miami may fight for WMU and BGSU just like Denver would fight for CC. Remember that MU would have to sit next to those schools at MAC meetings for years to come, and people have held grudges for much less.

2) I agree completely on point 1 for SG. Ferris goes from a league that is an easy bus trip to everyone (they are essentially the geographic center of the CCHA - Alaska notwithstanding) to a league where they would have to bus to Minnesota several times a year. That's a pretty significant travel budget increase with zero increase in fan interest.
 
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moose97 said:
I fail to see how that is any different than the proposed "Super 6."



The flaw in this argument is that the D-II "small schools" (many of whom are actually larger than the D-I "big schools") have been operating in an environment where Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State have bumped attendance for 20 to 60 years (and season ticket holders have come to expect that those schools will visit with some regularity). Now, through no fault of their own, the BTHC schools leave and pull that revenue stream out from under them. My problem with the "D-II schools shouldn't rely on the BTHC schools charity" argument is that none of the schools are going to the BTHC asking for money (it's not really charity then, is it?). They are simply saying that it will be tougher to operate in this new economic environment with BTHC schools not visiting as often (if at all). In fact, I don't recall reading any school saying that the departure of BTHC schools will make it impossible to continue operation.
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Well most college hockey fans are.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Yeah, that one makes a ton of sense :rolleyes:
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Division 1 power conferences these days are not designed on geographic areas, but on the size on bank accounts. If you look at the rumored (#4?) conference, with the exception of Providence, you're looking at major cheese.
 
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