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Quinnipiac Bobcats 2010 Offseason

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MinniQUFan said:
lol here we go again. :rolleyes:
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ZYanksRule said:
I'm just going to make believe I didn't read that, instead of responding to it.
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Quinn57 said:
Yeah. I actually agree with most of QRB44's pts but its pretty obvious where this one goes.
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There's obviously a lot of inside info in QRB's post which is something those of us on the "outside" don't see or hear (at least not from reliable sources). Some of it I've heard rumors of in the past, most of it I haven't.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter what any of us think about the situation since there's nothing we can do about it, so what's the point in debating it?
 
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"There's obviously a lot of inside info in QRB's post which is something those of us on the "outside" don't see or hear (at least not from reliable sources). Some of it I've heard rumors of in the past, most of it I haven't.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter what any of us think about the situation since there's nothing we can do about it, so what's the point in debating it?"

Well to your second point. We don't play the games either, maybe should stop debating on that as well?

I keep hearing the same "Player's don't like Rand" rumors over and over. I'd love to confirm or deny these but I can't. Thing is, if you keep hearing the same one over and over without too much to the contrary, there may be some truth to it.
 
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Quinn57 said:
I keep hearing the same "Player's don't like Rand" rumors over and over. I'd love to confirm or deny these but I can't. Thing is, if you keep hearing the same one over and over without too much to the contrary, there may be some truth to it.
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Valid point. I've never been a Rand detractor (all my first hand experiences with him have been great) but that is true. This is a subject I won't take a firm stand on either way, but i do acknowledge the anti Rand sentiment as having merit for two reasons. 1) I haven't been overly impressed with the on ice product and final results (not the talent) over the last two or three years and 2) it is hard to ignore all the negative rumors from people claiming to be in the know. Unfortunately, I doubt there's people acting as trolls on the QU boards posing as QU hockey insiders just to get ZYanks riled up.
 
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Quinn57 said:
Well to your second point. We don't play the games either, maybe should stop debating on that as well?
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We can see what happens on the ice and make our own judgements on what we see out of the players. That's vastly different from debating rumors and innuendo.

I keep hearing the same "Player's don't like Rand" rumors over and over. I'd love to confirm or deny these but I can't. Thing is, if you keep hearing the same one over and over without too much to the contrary, there may be some truth to it.
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I've heard them as well with no way to confirm nor deny. What I can say is I've had conversations with people close to the program as well as several parents over the last couple of years and I've never heard anyone speak negatively about Rand. That's not to say he always gets glowing reviews but based on what I've heard, my opinion of Rand is that he's a fair but tough coach. Remember, players don't have to "like" their coach either...

As I've said before, the powers-that-be must have a fairly good handle on the "inside story" and ultimately it's their decision on whether the coach (of any team) stays or goes. We all have to trust their judgement on these matters.

I've also stated that, at least in my opinion, it's much more than the on-ice product that determines a coach's value. Our kids are graduating, they're out there doing their part in the community, and they're not getting headlines for off-ice incidents. That's got to count for something other than just a win-loss record.


MinniQUFan said:
I doubt there's people acting as trolls on the QU boards posing as QU hockey insiders just to get ZYanks riled up.
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Of course not... we can get Z riled up all by ourselves! :p
 
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Completely ignoring the Rand banter, because it bores the life out of me...does anyone have an accurate list of the incoming recruits? I know of the Jones brothers and Brooks Robinson. Any others?
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
According to Heisenberg:

Cory Hibbeler-LD
Zach Tolkinen-D
John Dunbar-RW
Jack Callahan-D (not a definite for 2010)
Conor Jones-LW
Kellen Jones-LW
Brooks Robinson-LW
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I have to say I'm sort of surprised by possibly 3 defencemen coming in. We didn't lose any, which leads leads me to think someone may have took off.

Thanks Mark for the prompt find. You're the man.
 
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Well we could possibly have our fourth Zach on defense. Tolkinen is a 6-3 defensemen out of Minnesota It seems Hibbeler is a tough guy and not a points man. Quite a few fights were found upon a quick google search.

It should be noted as well that former Hamden High and Avon Old Farms defencemen Pat MacGregor is listed as an incoming recruit for Boston University. That would've been a great find for QU. A local kid with a ton of upside is just what the team needs. But I guess we'll continue to go west with all of our recruits.
 
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allnightwong said:
I have to say I'm sort of surprised by possibly 3 defencemen coming in. We didn't lose any, which leads leads me to think someone may have took off.
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Upon further review, Cory Hibbeler is listed with a commitment date of 4/11/10 and Zach Tolkinen with 3/1/10. That leads me to believe we may not see them next season, though they were both born in '89, making them 21 yr olds for next season.
 
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Quinn57 said:
I keep hearing the same "Player's don't like Rand" rumors over and over. I'd love to confirm or deny these but I can't. Thing is, if you keep hearing the same one over and over without too much to the contrary, there may be some truth to it.
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Why is that a bad thing, though? You don't have to like your coach. What did Herb Brooks' players think of Herb?
 
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"Why is that a bad thing, though? You don't have to like your coach. What did Herb Brooks' players think of Herb?"

Head exploses at the thought of Rand Pecknold being compared to Herb Brooks.

But no, I see what your saying. It can surely work but you don't think this has potential to impact recruiting negatively? I mean if we're hearing about it, than I'm sure potential recruits are hearing it. If you were in their place and heard that a coach wasn't fun to play for would that make you want to go to the school more? Maybe you'd eventually decide to enroll but that wouldn't be a selling point.

If we were reeling off Top 4 seasons with some ECAC championships sprinkled in while sending players regularly to the highest level of professional hockey, then yeah, I'd care less about the coaches temperament. But unfortunately we're not there yet and things like this that could potentially negatively impact recruiting concern me.
 
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Quinn57 said:
If you were in their place and heard that a coach wasn't fun to play for would that make you want to go to the school more?
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I'll be the first to admit that I haven't got a clue about what recruiting is all about. That said, I don't think the coach is the prime, or only, reason to accept or decline an offer. The school itself has to be a big part of the equation along with scholarship amounts, course offerings, and the like. Add to that the potential for playing time (i.e. a good kid can ride the bench at a perennial contender vs. getting significant ice time at a school like QU), and I think it comes down to the complete package.
 
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Quinn57 said:
"Why is that a bad thing, though? You don't have to like your coach. What did Herb Brooks' players think of Herb?"

Head exploses at the thought of Rand Pecknold being compared to Herb Brooks.

But no, I see what your saying. It can surely work but you don't think this has potential to impact recruiting negatively? I mean if we're hearing about it, than I'm sure potential recruits are hearing it. If you were in their place and heard that a coach wasn't fun to play for would that make you want to go to the school more? Maybe you'd eventually decide to enroll but that wouldn't be a selling point.

If we were reeling off Top 4 seasons with some ECAC championships sprinkled in while sending players regularly to the highest level of professional hockey, then yeah, I'd care less about the coaches temperament. But unfortunately we're not there yet and things like this that could potentially negatively impact recruiting concern me.
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First of all, I'd talk to members of the team about what it ACTUALLY is like to play for the guy. And, ya'know what, as long as he's fair, I don't think kids necessarily want a country club.
 
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It should be noted as well that former Hamden High and Avon Old Farms defencemen Pat MacGregor is listed as an incoming recruit for Boston University. That would've been a great find for QU. A local kid with a ton of upside is just what the team needs. But I guess we'll continue to go west with all of our recruits.[/QUOTE]

Hi Wonger, good point about local talent. It should also be noted that the Pereira brothers from West Haven, (We are friends with their parents) were rejected by Rand. Joey, the older brother, just finished four years on the BU hockey team. He was the forward that was injured with the broken stick that ruptured his spleen. To be honest, Rand told Joey that QU needed Defense at the time, which was true. QU had signed Lampe, Wong,...ect.
However, Mike Pereira is a different story. He just finished with Avon Old Farms hockey team, and has signed with U-Mass, after looking at several D-1 schools in New England. What a great addition to the QU roster Mike would have been. I am certainly no authority on college hockey, like you and Mark, but I have seen him play, and he reminds me of Eric Lampe-fast, aggressive, and a wicked shot. Keep you eye on him at U-Mass, and I think we will regret not having him on our team.
 
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This is the bottom line. If QU had a top notch college coach they would rule the ECAC for decades on end, with the exception of the occasional down year. The campus/athletic facilities are state of the art. The Hamden community is beautiful and the faculty (including Coach Pecknold) within the University are 100% committed to the hockey program. Rand Pecknold is just not the right man for the job (that is if you want a powerhouse program). If you are happy with mediocrity than he is your coach. Elite Division I Hockey is extremely competitive. If your program is missing one piece it will flounder. Rand is the weak link.
I want to respond to a reply to my earlier post. The coaching situation my be out of your hands...that may be true...but probably not. Every person you talk to about the coaching issue will rise the level of attention and pressure on Jack McDonald (QU’s Athletic Director). Might I add that he has done an incredible job getting the program where it is today. Just one more gutsy move and look out!
From a personal perspective, I remain fully emerged in the hockey world. I love the sport and it has been very good to me. Every young hockey player or parent who comes to me for advise I do my best to give my best response. In regards to QU I respond in the following way.

“If you want to be the best hockey player you can be, DO NOT go to Quinnipiac unless Pecknold isn’t there. He makes you worse. If you want to go to a beautiful University with tremendous academics and school spirit but you are just playing hockey because you like to play for fun or you have a scholarship than QU is a great place. Just get the scholarship in writing before you commit. Pecknold will take it away and give it to someone else if you don’t. He can’t be trusted.”

I am not the only ex-player who is influencing recruits in this way. I know this for a fact. Keep this in mind the next time you see Rand screaming at the refs for 6 straight minuets in the 1st period, and then you are wondering why you don’t get the call as time is running out in the 3rd.

-QURugbandit44
 
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QuRugBandit44 said:
From a personal perspective, I remain fully emerged in the hockey world. I love the sport and it has been very good to me. Every young hockey player or parent who comes to me for advise I do my best to give my best response. In regards to QU I respond in the following way.

“If you want to be the best hockey player you can be, DO NOT go to Quinnipiac unless Pecknold isn’t there. He makes you worse. If you want to go to a beautiful University with tremendous academics and school spirit but you are just playing hockey because you like to play for fun or you have a scholarship than QU is a great place. Just get the scholarship in writing before you commit. Pecknold will take it away and give it to someone else if you don’t. He can’t be trusted.”

I am not the only ex-player who is influencing recruits in this way. I know this for a fact.
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As much as I promised myself to stay away from responding to this, I can't find the strength to do so.

If you are a former QU player, I'm appalled that you would come to a public forum and say what you have said. Whatever problems there may be "behind the scenes", what you're saying is way out of line. The program, and the people within it, deserve better than this drivel.

I have no problem with people stating differing opinions about the program or the coach, but to sell it out like you have is just plain wrong. :mad:
 
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MarkEagle,

I am not selling out...I was sold out by Coach Pecknold...I'm just retaliating. Don't be so sensitive. I say the things I say because I want QU to be successful. Not to push your buttons. It's nothing personal...the moment that rink was built it became a business...act accordingly.


-QURugbandit
 
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