Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
You really got it in for Fred, don't you? Whatever it is, you win. Now go away.
You really got it in for Fred, don't you? Whatever it is, you win. Now go away.
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Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
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Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
The cryptic nature of your posts will only hold one's interest for so long. Mine is starting to wane.
The cryptic nature of your posts will only hold one's interest for so long. Mine is starting to wane.
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
ps... I don't know who Fred is.
ps... I don't know who Fred is.
If his bad behavior was a long standing pattern you would think his assistants would have talked to him behind closed doors at some point in time to voice their concerns and to at least alert him to his behavioral patterns not being good. That is part of their duties after all IMHO.
ontherocks
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Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
But if the bad behavior was actually kept quiet and covered up by the assistants over a long period of time, what should be done with them?
But if the bad behavior was actually kept quiet and covered up by the assistants over a long period of time, what should be done with them?
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
what's to be done? absolutely nothing clearly the way qu athletics runs things...
what's to be done? absolutely nothing clearly the way qu athletics runs things...
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Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
You have any proof, or are you just going to continue to slander people?
You have any proof, or are you just going to continue to slander people?
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
Can it be slander to accuse someone of slander?
Cassandra Turner named "interim head coach"
http://q30television.com/2015/04/09/rick-seeley-resigns-as-womens-ice-hockey-head-coach/
Can it be slander to accuse someone of slander?
Cassandra Turner named "interim head coach"
http://q30television.com/2015/04/09/rick-seeley-resigns-as-womens-ice-hockey-head-coach/
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
See post #4 here: http://www.letsgotech.com/roundtable/showthread.php?2347-In-other-news-around-the-league
See post #4 here: http://www.letsgotech.com/roundtable/showthread.php?2347-In-other-news-around-the-league
OnMAA
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Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
Maybe should change the Thread title from "Kelly Who" to "Fred Who"
And "ontherocks" must be "ontopoftherock" in Hamden. Lots of wind up there..
More seriously. There is always more than one side to the story. Be careful about posting on these sensitive subjects.
Maybe should change the Thread title from "Kelly Who" to "Fred Who"
And "ontherocks" must be "ontopoftherock" in Hamden. Lots of wind up there.
.More seriously. There is always more than one side to the story. Be careful about posting on these sensitive subjects.
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Puckdrop14
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There is always more than one side to the story. Be careful about posting on these sensitive subjects.[/QUOTE]
Speculation and opinions will always dominate any forum. To think otherwise is not realistic. As in the OSU story, there is always more to a story than meets the eye. It does appear that the tough male style of coaching will soon be history in division 1.
Speculation and opinions will always dominate any forum. To think otherwise is not realistic. As in the OSU story, there is always more to a story than meets the eye. It does appear that the tough male style of coaching will soon be history in division 1.
96IllinoisDad
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I would drop "male" from this statement. A recent female coach was more physical with her players during the game than any male coach I observed.
Ted Knight
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Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
Horrified? My God...horrified by words written? What is this world coming to? You need to take a course in understanding English 101 at Harvard. I didn't state that I "believe" it had to be much worse. I stated it must have been much worse. it was wishful thinking on my part because if it were just a tug or grab of a shirt and a coach got fired it would be ridiculous. if you ask every D1 player if they had a tough coach at one point in their life they would all say yes. I'm not talking about a coach that grabs a player by the facemask or pulls them down and gets in their face...I mean a coach that teaches discipline. gets loud...sometimes says things that Ivy League Libs would file a lawsuit against.
sorry, no apology to you even though you're horrified. maybe you can ask one of your classmates in the English 101 class if they're pre law...if they'd like to take your case. I'm sure they'd be horrified too.
we will gladly take Samo
Horrified? My God...horrified by words written? What is this world coming to? You need to take a course in understanding English 101 at Harvard. I didn't state that I "believe" it had to be much worse. I stated it must have been much worse. it was wishful thinking on my part because if it were just a tug or grab of a shirt and a coach got fired it would be ridiculous. if you ask every D1 player if they had a tough coach at one point in their life they would all say yes. I'm not talking about a coach that grabs a player by the facemask or pulls them down and gets in their face...I mean a coach that teaches discipline. gets loud...sometimes says things that Ivy League Libs would file a lawsuit against.
sorry, no apology to you even though you're horrified. maybe you can ask one of your classmates in the English 101 class if they're pre law...if they'd like to take your case. I'm sure they'd be horrified too.
we will gladly take Samo
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
I would agree. It is the hard-*****ed "old school" kind of coaching that is thankfully becoming less tolerated by both players and administrators as societal values and expectations begin to change. This certainly does not exclude long-time female coaches, not all of whom have yet to either change or be relieved of their responsibilities.
I can't say I'm surprised at all about Seeley leaving, though certainly not due to alleged physical abuse. Negative stories out of most of the programs now or previously "in the news" (and some yet to be addressed) have been reasonably common knowledge in the playing community long before any coaching changes were ultimately announced. Ironically, this one immediately follows the team's most successful season in history. The sad fact is that such behaviours tend to be overlooked much, much longer on teams with performance success.
I find it telling that the definition of good coaches among many posters on this board relates only, or mostly, on championships and win record, as if this is some sort of professional sport, and success on the ice is the be all, end all or even #1 aspect of these girls' entire experience in college. If that's the case, these girls will not be very successful in life once hockey is over. Hopefully, their athletic experience gives them positive role models, work ethic, time management, confidence, teamwork, communication and leadership skills among others, to enhance all their achievements on and off the ice, in college and beyond.
Several outsiders have commented that the decision on the new coach at Brown reflects a lack of caring about women's hockey, and that there were several more deserving candidates....presumably based on the availability of individuals with a winning track record elsewhere. Yet I have heard from several people with inside knowledge that the new Brown coach is in fact an inspired choice--someone with not only a long track record of leadership success at Brown as well as a deep playing history, but first and foremost someone who is loved, admired and respected by those who have come through the program, and who is a great communicator and people person. Maybe more programs should be putting more emphasis on such qualities. Many coaches who would have been available to Brown come with the kind of baggage that would not be appropriate in this situation to say the least.
I find it sad that for many athletes, and probably more often in programs considered among the most successful (and perceived to be "well-coached"!), their playing experiences are among the most negative aspect of their college experience, with their coaches among the worst possible role models for how to conduct yourself as a leader/manager in the workplace, or in any way a motivator of people, performance, or personal development. Not too long ago, I was told of a gathering of many player alums from one high profile esteemed program. Despite a mix of former national team players with impressive NCAA team and individual accomplishments as well as a few "lesser lights", and various vintages from recent grads to 10+ years--most of whom had never been on that same team at the same time, they all had one thing in common beyond their team affiliation: not one looked backed on their playing days under their coach as a positive part of their college experience at all. A winning record at the expense of respect, admiration and developer of people? Each to his own.
From a long-term perspective, perhaps some of the middle-of-the-pack programs are actually the most successful for their respective schools and athletes.
I would agree. It is the hard-*****ed "old school" kind of coaching that is thankfully becoming less tolerated by both players and administrators as societal values and expectations begin to change. This certainly does not exclude long-time female coaches, not all of whom have yet to either change or be relieved of their responsibilities.
I can't say I'm surprised at all about Seeley leaving, though certainly not due to alleged physical abuse. Negative stories out of most of the programs now or previously "in the news" (and some yet to be addressed) have been reasonably common knowledge in the playing community long before any coaching changes were ultimately announced. Ironically, this one immediately follows the team's most successful season in history. The sad fact is that such behaviours tend to be overlooked much, much longer on teams with performance success.
I find it telling that the definition of good coaches among many posters on this board relates only, or mostly, on championships and win record, as if this is some sort of professional sport, and success on the ice is the be all, end all or even #1 aspect of these girls' entire experience in college. If that's the case, these girls will not be very successful in life once hockey is over. Hopefully, their athletic experience gives them positive role models, work ethic, time management, confidence, teamwork, communication and leadership skills among others, to enhance all their achievements on and off the ice, in college and beyond.
Several outsiders have commented that the decision on the new coach at Brown reflects a lack of caring about women's hockey, and that there were several more deserving candidates....presumably based on the availability of individuals with a winning track record elsewhere. Yet I have heard from several people with inside knowledge that the new Brown coach is in fact an inspired choice--someone with not only a long track record of leadership success at Brown as well as a deep playing history, but first and foremost someone who is loved, admired and respected by those who have come through the program, and who is a great communicator and people person. Maybe more programs should be putting more emphasis on such qualities. Many coaches who would have been available to Brown come with the kind of baggage that would not be appropriate in this situation to say the least.
I find it sad that for many athletes, and probably more often in programs considered among the most successful (and perceived to be "well-coached"!), their playing experiences are among the most negative aspect of their college experience, with their coaches among the worst possible role models for how to conduct yourself as a leader/manager in the workplace, or in any way a motivator of people, performance, or personal development. Not too long ago, I was told of a gathering of many player alums from one high profile esteemed program. Despite a mix of former national team players with impressive NCAA team and individual accomplishments as well as a few "lesser lights", and various vintages from recent grads to 10+ years--most of whom had never been on that same team at the same time, they all had one thing in common beyond their team affiliation: not one looked backed on their playing days under their coach as a positive part of their college experience at all. A winning record at the expense of respect, admiration and developer of people? Each to his own.
From a long-term perspective, perhaps some of the middle-of-the-pack programs are actually the most successful for their respective schools and athletes.
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
If you are equating screaming, swearing and/or physical contact with being a tough coach, then I would have to correct you and say no. I would not have allowed my kids to have played for an a-hole just to get to D1. Fortunately, they were blessed with many great coaches along the way anyway and still made it to D1.
The problem is thinking that teaching discipline or being demanding coaches means doing any of these things. That's old school, and just means you have not had the privilege of truly having had a great coach. Their most demanding coaches were also their favourites and those they respected and liked the most: very high but clear expectations, fair, consistent, motivating, calm and controlled, interested in both team and individual growth, good communicators and role models....and understood that different tactics were required to get the best out of different players, and in it for their athletes rather than themselves and their own ego needs. Someone they WANT to do their very best for, not because they are afraid of the consequences if they don't.
Too bad there are still so few D1 coaches with these attributes.
If you are equating screaming, swearing and/or physical contact with being a tough coach, then I would have to correct you and say no. I would not have allowed my kids to have played for an a-hole just to get to D1. Fortunately, they were blessed with many great coaches along the way anyway and still made it to D1.
The problem is thinking that teaching discipline or being demanding coaches means doing any of these things. That's old school, and just means you have not had the privilege of truly having had a great coach. Their most demanding coaches were also their favourites and those they respected and liked the most: very high but clear expectations, fair, consistent, motivating, calm and controlled, interested in both team and individual growth, good communicators and role models....and understood that different tactics were required to get the best out of different players, and in it for their athletes rather than themselves and their own ego needs. Someone they WANT to do their very best for, not because they are afraid of the consequences if they don't.
Too bad there are still so few D1 coaches with these attributes.
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Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
Great post. Good to hear something positive about the new Brown coach.
Great post. Good to hear something positive about the new Brown coach.
DelayedOffside
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Well said Trillium! Keneally knows the game and is a great communicator, exactly what is needed to coach regardless of the 'level!' I pretty sure a couple of years under McCloskey, Hanrahan, Miller, or Seeley would not have better prepared him for the job! I think some on here tend to overrate this kind of job, what's really required to be successful and that being knowledge and the ability to communicate that knowledge in an acceptable manner. The 'experience at that level' really relates to the operations side of things as D1 is different from D3 and D3 is different than club when it comes to budgets, procedures, etc. But coaching is coaching, imparting your knowledge of the game on your players and motivating them to perform at their highest level. I think you can still be a hard-a** coach that demands excellence from their players but you **** well better have earned their respect FIRST!!! Players need to know you have their best interest at heart and they will go through a wall for you. If not, they turn on you, much like what has happened recently. Good luck to Coach Kenneally, Coach Crowell and every other coach out there, the world has changed, you are the new leaders.
Re: Quinnipiac 2014-2015 Women's Thread: "Kelly Who?"
Yes. Horrified. You are completely out of line telling players to "grow up" and "stop whining" when you don't know what the players have endured. You then minimize what they might have experienced by inferring that Seeley is simply a "tough coach". Sorry, but from what I've heard, this change had nothing to do with him being a "tough coach". What you've done in your two posts, is put the blame for this squarely on players, and you should be ashamed (as I am horrified). But I know from reading your posts that you don't even have the capacity to understand your shame. Keep attacking me, but lay off players until you have something specific to accuse them of. Thank you.
Yes. Horrified. You are completely out of line telling players to "grow up" and "stop whining" when you don't know what the players have endured. You then minimize what they might have experienced by inferring that Seeley is simply a "tough coach". Sorry, but from what I've heard, this change had nothing to do with him being a "tough coach". What you've done in your two posts, is put the blame for this squarely on players, and you should be ashamed (as I am horrified). But I know from reading your posts that you don't even have the capacity to understand your shame. Keep attacking me, but lay off players until you have something specific to accuse them of. Thank you.