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Providence College Summer 2011: The Hockey Guy Adventures

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not back peddling on anything

point is anyone can recruit at BC, anyone

Bennett has done an amazing job with zero scholarshpis and history, in the middle of no where and a tough place to get into

Cav is a great coach and would be a great fit but until he does it at a Union type, it is worth mentioning.

"You are way off base discrediting his recruiting success by associating it with BC. WAY off base. All you have to look at is the consistency of his success"Quote
fair enough but it was done at BC not PC
 
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Hokydad said:
not back peddling on anything

point is anyone can recruit at BC, anyone

Bennett has done an amazing job with zero scholarshpis and history, in the middle of no where and a tough place to get into

Cav is a great coach and would be a great fit but until he does it at a Union type, it is worth mentioning.

"You are way off base discrediting his recruiting success by associating it with BC. WAY off base. All you have to look at is the consistency of his success"Quote
fair enough but it was done at BC not PC
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Do you realize the pressure of recruiting at BC? Due to the success of their program and the expectations, year after year you have to find the best of the best. The all too involved "Pike's Peak Club" will certainly let you know when they are not impressed. At a place like Union, you can certainly exceed expectations a lot easier than at BC. One could argue that BC did not live up to expectations this year because they didn't make the frozen four, Union makes the tourney and suddenly their coach is Bob Johnson.

Bringing this back to PC, the names being mentioned are all first class candidates, especially Quinn and Cav. PC has storied hockey tradition, Providence is a good city and can be sold as a fun safe college city, and the school has a very strong alumni following. All of these factors make this a very attractive job. Coaches want to go places they can win, and I believe PC is a place you can win. The question remains...is the school committed to a winning hockey program? Merrimack showed this year what can happen when a school invests in their program. With PC's tradition, they simply have to give either one of these candidates the resources and they will be back on the national scene. They both are tireless, successful, and competitive recruiters with great minds for the game.

Good luck with whoever gets the nod.
 
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RealHockeyDad said:
So basically Hoky(sic) he refuted your point and then you agree...way to add to that post total!
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and your valued added prop was as follows.....

he made good points, why bother debating it. made my point as well. didnt change my mind but I respect his position and agree could be right
 
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Hokydad said:
Bennett has done an amazing job with zero scholarships and history, in the middle of no where and a tough place to get into
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Wait a second......are you saying Union is in the middle of nowhere or Schenectady......or both? For being in the middle of nowhere, do you know how many Colleges/Universities are in the Albany area, which Schenectady is a part of (Capital District)!!!! Who was your Geography teacher??????
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
Wait a second......are you saying Union is in the middle of nowhere or Schenectady......or both? For being in the middle of nowhere, do you know how many Colleges/Universities are in the Albany area, which Schenectady is a part of (Capital District)!!!! Who was your Geography teacher??????
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compared to Hockey East. All but 2 of which you can be at in less than an hour

Compared to schools in Boston it is in the middle of no where. Albany is one of the most deprerssing cities in the country. Getting worse every year and has been doing so for over a decade.

Beautifull school and great academics etc. Not a destination resort spot
 
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Quinn, Cavanagh and Leaman are the finalists...details in the Projo tonight:


Saturday night in St. Paul, Bob Driscoll presented the NCAA ice hockey national championship trophy to the coach of the University of Minnesota-Duluth, Scott Sandelin.

This week, he's narrowing the search for the coach who, he hopes, will one day bring that trophy to Providence.

According to sources close to the PC program, Cranston native David Quinn --coach of the AHL's Lake Erie Monsters, and a former associate head coach at his alma mater, Boston University, where he was an all-Hockey East defenseman -- was on campus today for an interview.

He'll be followed into town, sources say, by Mike Cavanaugh, associate head coach of the Boston College Eagles, and Nate Leaman, the head coach at Union.

http://sportsblog.projo.com/2011/04/friars-close-to.html
 
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Hokydad said:
compared to Hockey East. All but 2 of which you can be at in less than an hour
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How fast do you drive? There is no way you can make it from Providence to Durham in under an hour. Ditto for Amherst. On a good day, with no traffic at all, you might be able to make it to Lowell or North Andover in under an hour, but you'd still have to be going at a pretty good clip.
 
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ScottK said:
How fast do you drive? There is no way you can make it from Providence to Durham in under an hour. Ditto for Amherst. On a good day, with no traffic at all, you might be able to make it to Lowell or North Andover in under an hour, but you'd still have to be going at a pretty good clip.
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about a buck forty
 
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THis BS that "they hired a PC grad and it didn't work out" is insane and insulting to all the Friars currently working in hockey circles from HS, to juniors to pros...

I say they don't hire a guy born in RI since they "tried that"...or even worse a blonde guy...look how bad THAT turned out. I heard they are making sure they don't even interview a guy whose father played at PC....

Rick Bennett should be judged on Rick Bennett, and if he is a PC grad AND the best candidate, he should get the job. I can't believe that it is out there that the school doesn't want to hire one of our own.

On the other finalists, I always come back to the question a recruit asks, "if you were from RI, and recruited by BU, BC and PC.....why didn't YOU choose Providence????? And yet you think I should??" Tough sell.
 
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SouthieFriar said:
THis BS that "they hired a PC grad and it didn't work out" is insane and insulting to all the Friars currently working in hockey circles from HS, to juniors to pros...

I say they don't hire a guy born in RI since they "tried that"...or even worse a blonde guy...look how bad THAT turned out. I heard they are making sure they don't even interview a guy whose father played at PC....

Rick Bennett should be judged on Rick Bennett, and if he is a PC grad AND the best candidate, he should get the job. I can't believe that it is out there that the school doesn't want to hire one of our own.

On the other finalists, I always come back to the question a recruit asks, "if you were from RI, and recruited by BU, BC and PC.....why didn't YOU choose Providence????? And yet you think I should??" Tough sell.
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You make some great points there. The one thing I think program is looking for someone who can breathe new life into the Hockey program. Looking at this list I am really confident that who ever they hire will be a significant step in the right direction.

Also I thought that everyone who like to know this:

https://www.dailygazette.com/weblog...-says-he-isnt-interested-in-providence-colle/
 
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SouthieFriar said:
Rick Bennett should be judged on Rick Bennett, and if he is a PC grad AND the best candidate, he should get the job. I can't believe that it is out there that the school doesn't want to hire one of our own.

On the other finalists, I always come back to the question a recruit asks, "if you were from RI, and recruited by BU, BC and PC.....why didn't YOU choose Providence????? And yet you think I should??" Tough sell.
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Southie, you are from Boston but you didn't go to BU or BC. Why not??? For the record I was in the same boat.
Sometimes close to home is too close. Quinn doesn't have to be ashamed for not going to school 10 minutes up the road from his house when he was able to skate for BU. Not many RI kids stay in the state to play for the local colleges.

Compared to Quinn and Leaman, Bennett is not the best candidate. They have a record of proven success as head coaches.

Hoky mentioned the solid recruiting job that Bennett did at Union without the benefit of offering scholarships etc. (decent point) and others have mentioned the recruiting job that both Quinn and Cavanaugh have done for BU and BC (again decent points). Is Bennett a strong candidate for consideration? I'm sure most would certainly agree. Is he a better candidate than Quinn and Leaman? I'm sure most would say not so much.

I was initially hoping Cavanaugh would get it, then Quinn followed by Leaman. I now think that Quinn is now my favorite followed by Cav then Leaman. Bennett will be a HC somewhere next season. Maybe even at Union. I don't see him getting the job at PC though because there are better options with head coaching experience.
 
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Hoky mentioned the solid recruiting job that Bennett did at Union without the benefit of offering scholarships etc. (decent point) and others have mentioned the recruiting job that both Quinn and Cavanaugh have done for BU and BC (again decent points). Is Bennett a strong candidate for consideration? I'm sure most would certainly agree. Is he a better candidate than Quinn and Leaman? I'm sure most would say not so much.
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Exactly. As I wrote before -- and some people here thought I was insane to suggest this -- clearly the school was aiming higher than Rick Bennett. I think it's pretty clear the guy had a lot of cheerleaders as evidenced by posts here (some from people who never contribute), but as I said from the very beginning (and was argued with), he did not match up with PC's needs at this point in time.
 
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Friar21 said:
You make some great points there. The one thing I think program is looking for someone who can breathe new life into the Hockey program. Looking at this list I am really confident that who ever they hire will be a significant step in the right direction.

Also I thought that everyone who like to know this:

https://www.dailygazette.com/weblog...-says-he-isnt-interested-in-providence-colle/
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Coaches do that when they feel that they aren't going to get the nod. They try to make it appear that they were not interested to keep their reputation untarnished.
 
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Kenny said:
Coaches do that when they feel that they aren't going to get the nod. They try to make it appear that they were not interested to keep their reputation untarnished.
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I agree. I thought it was a face saving gesture. I'm sure the Projo got it from Driscoll directly that Leaman was on the list or scheduled to visit Providence before they printed it. I'm sure Quinn or Cav have the inside track and Coach Leaman knows it.
 
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So Cav and Quinn...with no college HC experience are way more quaified than one of our own Rick Bennett....maybe.

But having it said that we don't want an alum in the job is offensive and short sighted. The Projo said it last week, so it appears to be the line coming from the school.

Maybe I don't want to give money to a school that wouldn;t hire their own grads, based only on the fact that they are PC grads.
 
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SouthieFriar said:
Maybe I don't want to give money to a school that wouldn;t hire their own grads, based only on the fact that they are PC grads.
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Gee, maybe they'll have to close the whole school down without your endowment.
 
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But having it said that we don't want an alum in the job is offensive and short sighted. The Projo said it last week, so it appears to be the line coming from the school.

Maybe I don't want to give money to a school that wouldn;t hire their own grads, based only on the fact that they are PC grads.
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Didn't they just hire a PC grad, who knew, loved and understood "the PC culture"? How did that work out for them?

I don't think the sheer fact he was a PC grad was the only reason they weren't interested -- I think if you look at where PC is right now and what they're looking for, they need a fresh start. On paper there are just too many similarities between Bennett and the last two coaches:

Former All-American player -- Just like Army and Pooley.
Current college assistant with no head coaching experience -- Just like Pooley.
Former PC alum -- Just like Army.

Put all that together with the not-minor fact that he was here for 5 years as a Pooley assistant, and I can understand why PC isn't interested in going back in that direction (why would they be?). Regardless of his recruiting abilities, hiring him would not be a fresh start, in addition to the experience factor, and after the last 15 years, isn't a fresh start what this program DESPERATELY needs?
 
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PC91 said:
Compared to Quinn and Leaman, Bennett is not the best candidate. They have a record of proven success as head coaches.

Hoky mentioned the solid recruiting job that Bennett did at Union without the benefit of offering scholarships etc. (decent point) and others have mentioned the recruiting job that both Quinn and Cavanaugh have done for BU and BC (again decent points). Is Bennett a strong candidate for consideration? I'm sure most would certainly agree. Is he a better candidate than Quinn and Leaman? I'm sure most would say not so much.

I was initially hoping Cavanaugh would get it, then Quinn followed by Leaman. I now think that Quinn is now my favorite followed by Cav then Leaman. Bennett will be a HC somewhere next season. Maybe even at Union. I don't see him getting the job at PC though because there are better options with head coaching experience.
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Rumor mill of the day says Cavanaugh did not make a good impression on the team when he met them. Now I don't want the inmates running the Asylum but hopefully that finishes him off.

Leaman dispite his protests to the contrary is due in tomorrow so stay tune.

Devin supposedly has landed a head coaching job in prep.

Hopefully the fact that Leaman is last is a good sign. If not him I tend to agree with Southie. What Timmy did has no bearing on how Bennett will handle the job. Possibly Army was not cut out to deal with college age players. He was away from it for 10 years....Bennett has lived it continuously for the past 11. Possibly Army's judgement all along was clouded by his desire to coach Derek and his buddies. Certainly there is no comparision between the two as players Timmy was a finesse player, Bennett arrived at his All American status through a blue collar work ethic, which should be evident in the style of player they would put on the ice.

It is pointed that Bennett has no head coaching experience. Quinn only has 2 years. Using the same logic you don't want to follow up a PC guy with another then why do we want to follow up an AHL guy with one who only has head coached in the AHL. As Southie said you need to judge each candidate on their own. If you want to complain about hiring a PC guy just remember Lou was a PC guy and in the end he did well.

As to the earlier question I am concerned about a coach getting off to a good start and then taking off for greener pastures. The rebuilding job at PC will be a long term deal. Remember you at best saw the first sign of life at Merrimack in the 5th year of their change and real tangible gains only this year. If they do make the rumored upgrades it suppoedly is suppoe to be something like a 5 year plan. Whoever you get you better pin down
 
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