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Presidential Election Prediction Thread

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SonofSouthie said:
I wonder how many people did that across the whole country? I did. I couldn't in good conscience vote for any of them.
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Is this where I do the obligatory cliche quote of "Freewill"?

If you choose not to decide,
You still have made a choice!
 
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Anecdotal evidence may not always be worth much, sometimes it is interesting.

I know a dozen PhDs. All the males voted for Clinton and all the females voted for Trump.

On the other hand, all the males are in physics/biology/chemistry, and all the females are in health care.
 
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FreshFish said:
Anecdotal evidence may not always be worth much, sometimes it is interesting.

I know a dozen PhDs. All the males voted for Clinton and all the females voted for Trump.

On the other hand, all the males are in physics/biology/chemistry, and all the females are in health care.
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I'm genuinely curious where you found 6 PhDs who voted for Trump. You may have gotten them all.

I know around 50 PhDs. There were a few Johnsons (no jokes) and one who was a Stein at least until the Day Itself. No Trumps. But not merely no Trumps, but practically each one would have voted for anyone else they knew over Trump.

The only people I know with advanced degrees who voted for Trump were a few lawyers who have worked in NYC for so long they've become racist-by-association.
 
Kepler said:
I'm genuinely curious where you found 6 PhDs who voted for Trump. You may have gotten them all.

I know around 50 PhDs. There were a few Johnsons (no jokes) and one who was a Stein at least until the Day Itself. No Trumps. But not merely no Trumps, but practically each one would have voted for anyone else they knew over Trump.

The only people I know with advanced degrees who voted for Trump were a few lawyers who have worked in NYC for so long they've become racist-by-association.
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I look at my hockey team and see how Clinton lost. Among those of us eligible to vote (we've got a Ukrainian and a couple Canadian transplants), about half of us have college degrees and beyond. Of those with degrees, probably 3 or 4 of us voted for her, 2 voted for Johnson (ones a stoner, the other your stereotypical libertarian), and one for Trump (small business owner who also owns a farm and cares only about taxes)

The other half are blue collar through and through. They voted for either Trump or Johnson, even the union workers.

And regardless of their professed reasoning, there was a significant amount of sexism/racism not so deeply hidden behind it. They didn't go full Trump with their locker room talk, but it was only a step or two short.
 
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unofan said:
And regardless of their professed reasoning, there was a significant amount of sexism/racism not so deeply hidden behind it. They didn't go full Trump with their locker room talk, but it was only a step or two short.
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All of the non-college women at my work went for Trump, and they were very uncomfortable with the media reports on his misogyny. Could almost see the cognitive dissonance: the media says treating women like that is sexist and sexism is bad, but all the men I know treat women like that, and they're not bad, therefore the media is wrong!

It was a very neat way of dealing with what otherwise would mean facing an uncomfortable chain of logic.

Exactly the same thing happens (with the same people, at that) when the logical likeness of fundamentalist Islam and Christianity comes up. They need an exit ramp to get them off the analytical highway ASAP, because it's going nowhere good for them.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'd have bet the under.
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Well, after further review he said "all the men were Clinton and all the woman were Trump." So technically there could have been only 1 woman, or even zero, and the statement would still have been true.

But let's be serious. Unless your degree is from I Can't Believe It's A Graduate School, you're both smart and educated enough to avoid the Trump con.
 
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Kepler said:
But let's be serious. Unless your degree is from I Can't Believe It's A Graduate School, you're both smart and educated enough to avoid the Trump con.
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Is this where the guy who abstained from voting for President (to avoid Trump) is heckled by the Cornell bobo because of his Rensselaer graduate degree? ;) :D
 
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FreshFish said:
No one in healthcare field likes PPACA, all were in favor of repeal/replace.
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One half does. One half doesn't.

Entrepreneurs and start ups loved it and have seized the day. A blue sky full of business opportunities.

The healthcare industrial complex hates it. They have to behave like other industries with open markets - consumers can shop by price and they have to serve everyone.
 
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Very interesting story in Wired about how the Trump team used Facebook as a research tool to refine and hone his campaign messages.

Facebook proved to be a powerful way for Trump’s team to hone the campaign’s message with the kind of enormous sample sizes you can’t get with traditional polling....Coby’s [Trump advisor] team took full advantage of the ability to perform massive tests with its ads. On any given day, Coby says, the campaign was running 40,000 to 50,000 variants of its ads, testing how they performed in different formats, with subtitles and without, and static versus video, among other small differences
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FreshFish said:
No one in healthcare field likes PPACA, all were in favor of repeal/replace.
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how many PhDs are in healthcare considering MD is the terminal degree for most in heathcare?
Anyway, many hospitals have a significant number of foreign born doctors. That and the fact that heathcare stocks were down on the prospect of Trump repealing PPACA makes me think your story is 100% bull****.

I know our entire senior leadership was dismayed by the election of trump and that includes MDs and PhDs
 
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BassAle said:
how many PhDs are in healthcare considering MD is the terminal degree for most in healthcare?
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A ton of researchers, unless you're distinguishing between "health care" and "medicine."

As an outsider it seems to me the division is roughly:

A+ students become researchers
A students become doctors
A- students become administrators
B students become lobbyists
C students who don't mind sucking a cock to make a sale become pharmaceutical reps
 
Kepler said:
A ton of researchers, unless you're distinguishing between "health care" and "medicine."

As an outsider it seems to me the division is roughly:

A+ students become researchers
A students become doctors
A- students become administrators
B students become lobbyists
C students who don't mind sucking a cock to make a sale become pharmaceutical reps
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My company employs hundreds of PhDs doing research. But all the people doing lab to bedside translational research have MDs or MDs plus PhDs.

Plus the people doing research are probably largely NIH funded and are probably more worried about government funding drying up and not the affordable care act
 
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5mn_Major said:
One half does. One half doesn't.

Entrepreneurs and start ups loved it and have seized the day. A blue sky full of business opportunities.

The healthcare industrial complex hates it. They have to behave like other industries with open markets - consumers can shop by price and they have to serve everyone.
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I agree with you that people who manufacture equipment used in the healthcare industry see plenty of good opportunity. There is also plenty of opportunity in research.

My comment was primarily about healthcare providers. They* all hate being forced to join conglomerates. Almost all practitioners in our state have been forced to join larger groups because of the law's administrative requirements (this was an intended outcome by the way, you know those greedy doctors ordering unnecessary tests and all that blah-blah-blah) There are a few independent practitioners left, but not very many, and they are all older with an established base of referral sources.

There is no opportunity for "customers" to "shop by price" because the same conglomerate now owns every medical practice in the entire area. Meanwhile, the time you have to wait to get an appointment is now longer than ever, because practitioners are spending more time in front of computer screens (because of the law) and less time actually seeing patients.



* "all" being every one I know, not everyone in the entire country.
 
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FreshFish said:
Very interesting story in Wired about how the Trump team used Facebook as a research tool to refine and hone his campaign messages.
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Wasn't it Obama's campaign that really jumped on the social media wagon for their advantage? Certainly Hillary had an early lead on it with her campaign, but it seems like Trump's campaign knew the nuts and bolts parts of social media's systems a little better.

The "Moneyball" of this campaign is all these small things that seemed inconsequential at face value helped win the election.
 
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