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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
They can have the Baptists, we'll keep the Mormons. The latter are better looking and adorably naive.
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As a Westerner at heart: Mormons girls are incredibly good looking, can confirm. From highest to lowest:

Mormon
Lutheran
Unitarian
Methodist
Baptist
Catholic
J... sorry.
 
The Progressives (the block whom I support and vote for when given the chance) can eat a bag of dicks on this one. Pass the fucking bill. Not voting on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill in the hopes it blackmails Manchin and Sinema into voting for Reconciliation is a fucking dumbass losing strategy and will not only hurt the country but will pretty much screw over the next two election cycles.

Only the fucking Dems could be handed an easy win and fuck it up so badly. This is Trumpian level stupidity. You aren't proving the point you think you are you are just making yourself look like exactly what the media portrays you as...not ready to lead and always in disarray.

But hey, at least you will have your principles to fall back on when the Fascists take control of everything and burn the whole thing to the ground. History always looks kindly at the pricks who stood pat and watched as their decisions lead to the downfall.

Simple Math...something is better than nothing.
 
Handyman said:
The Progressives (the block whom I support and vote for when given the chance) can eat a bag of dicks on this one. Pass the fucking bill. Not voting on the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill in the hopes it blackmails Manchin and Sinema into voting for Reconciliation is a fucking dumbass losing strategy and will not only hurt the country but will pretty much screw over the next two election cycles.

Only the fucking Dems could be handed an easy win and fuck it up so badly. This is Trumpian level stupidity. You aren't proving the point you think you are you are just making yourself look like exactly what the media portrays you as...not ready to lead and always in disarray.

But hey, at least you will have your principles to fall back on when the Fascists take control of everything and burn the whole thing to the ground. History always looks kindly at the *****s who stood pat and watched as their decisions lead to the downfall.

Simple Math...something is better than nothing.
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"We'll remember this next time the Dems think they can rely on our votes"

"Why do we have to compromise and they don't?"
 
The first comment is what every Independent or Blue Collar worker will say come next November.

The second is a red herring. The Bipartisan deal is a fine first step and both sides compromised. The people support it. (they also support Reconciliation) It can't be everything, but it has to be part of this.

The problem with Dems is they have no idea how logic works.

This likely works out one of two ways if you are being cynical:

Bipartisan deal passes and Reconciliation doesn't. 1+0=1

Bipartisan deal falls through and Reconciliation STILL doesn't pass. 0+0=0

1 > 0

Any chance of Reconciliation happening (slight as I think it might be) is if they pass the Bipartisan deal first.

The Progressives are negotiating stupidly. There is no way that using the Bipartisan deal as a blackmail ploy will force the issue with the DINO holdouts. Manchin and Sinema have nothing to fear at the moment. The Progressives think they look like staunch heroes but to the people who want some Infrastructure to pass (the Majority of Americans) they look like they are playing the same BS games the GOP does only badly. They are acting like they are playing with a massive mandate and huge majority. That just isn't the case. The Bipartisan deal not only gets things started, but it is a political win for the Dems in '22 and '24. It takes away the ultimate talking point...Bipartisanship. It shows the Dems are willing to do what is best for the people and the GOP is just there to fuck around. (we know that but apparently 70 million Americans dont) The Progressives are lighting that on fire and gain nothing from it.

The only people more annoying is Progressive Twitter...who blame Biden for the Filibuster and Roe being gutted and Voting Rights being an issue. There seems to be a lack of any knowledge of how policy works or even how fucking bills become fucking laws! Biden only has so much power. Meanwhile the Progressive Caucus is about to nuke his agenda and likely any chance he had at re-election so they can preen not realizing they look like Leon Lett in the Super Bowl...

AOC is definitely smarter than this. We are past the point of headline and scoring political points. It is literally now or never.
 
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Handyman said:
The first comment is what every Independent or Blue Collar worker will say come next November.

The second is a red herring. The Bipartisan deal is a fine first step and both sides compromised. The people support it. (they also support Reconciliation) It can't be everything, but it has to be part of this.

The problem with Dems is they have no idea how logic works.

This likely works out one of two ways if you are being cynical:

Bipartisan deal passes and Reconciliation doesn't. 1+0=1

Bipartisan deal falls through and Reconciliation STILL doesn't pass. 0+0=0

1 > 0

Any chance of Reconciliation happening (slight as I think it might be) is if they pass the Bipartisan deal first.

The Progressives are negotiating stupidly. There is no way that using the Bipartisan deal as a blackmail ploy will force the issue with the DINO holdouts. Manchin and Sinema have nothing to fear at the moment. The Progressives think they look like staunch heroes but to the people who want some Infrastructure to pass (the Majority of Americans) they look like they are playing the same BS games the GOP does only badly. They are acting like they are playing with a massive mandate and huge majority. That just isn't the case. The Bipartisan deal not only gets things started, but it is a political win for the Dems in '22 and '24. It takes away the ultimate talking point...Bipartisanship. It shows the Dems are willing to do what is best for the people and the GOP is just there to fuck around. (we know that but apparently 70 million Americans dont) The Progressives are lighting that on fire and gain nothing from it.

The only people more annoying is Progressive Twitter...who blame Biden for the Filibuster and Roe being gutted and Voting Rights being an issue. There seems to be a lack of any knowledge of how policy works or even how fucking bills become fucking laws! Biden only has so much power. Meanwhile the Progressive Caucus is about to nuke his agenda and likely any chance he had at re-election so they can preen not realizing they look like Leon Lett in the Super Bowl...

AOC is definitely smarter than this. We are past the point of headline and scoring political points. It is literally now or never.
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I’m with you on this one. Sanders is on board in the Senate as wanting to tank everything. As a fellow progressive who voted for Sanders in 2016, tanking Biden’s agenda is a fucking terrible idea. Take what you can get. I wanted $6 trillion too, Bernie. I thought Manchin was cool with the $3.5 trillion compromise. Well guess what, he’s not. That said, from what I’ve read, Sinema and Manchin are being wishy-washy on their top line and what they want, so the negotiating has been harder due to the lack of clarity. I think they both want a reconciliation bill, as do House moderates like Gottheimer (the SALT cap repeal has to come from somewhere!), so I haven’t given up hope yet.
 
Handyman said:
It is literally now or never.
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I was with you right up to this. I think that’s exactly the wrong attitude. We don’t need a home run right now - we just need to get Joe some wins so that he has a chance in 2024 and maybe can even grow some coattails. You swing for the home run now because “it’s now or never” and you’re likely to strike out and be left trying to explain a bag of shit to the voters in 2024. Play small ball, take the easy Ws, grab the low-hanging fruit, whatever aphorism you want to use. Just. Get. Something. Passed.
 
LynahFan said:
I was with you right up to this. I think that’s exactly the wrong attitude. We don’t need a home run right now - we just need to get Joe some wins so that he has a chance in 2024 and maybe can even grow some coattails. You swing for the home run now because “it’s now or never” and you’re likely to strike out and be left trying to explain a bag of **** to the voters in 2024. Play small ball, take the easy Ws, grab the low-hanging fruit, whatever aphorism you want to use. Just. Get. Something. Passed.
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I think Handy would agree with you on just getting something, anything, passed. It’s now or never to get anything passed. We fail here as a party, we’re not only socialists, we’re incompetent socialists. Americans hate socialists, but they hate incompetency more, or at least the veneer of incompetence. The midterms will rock us back to 2014 levels. If we get something, anything, passed, we might hold onto the Senate, which would be huge for non-legislative business.

Edit: make that 2016 levels. 2014 was nice for Dems in the Senate. 2016 was bad for both houses of Congress.
 
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I think Handy would agree with you on just getting something, anything, passed. It’s now or never to get anything passed. We fail here as a party, we’re not only socialists, we’re incompetent socialists. Americans hate socialists, but they hate incompetency more, or at least the veneer of incompetence. The midterms will rock us back to 2014 levels. If we get something, anything, passed, we might hold onto the Senate, which would be huge for non-legislative business.

Edit: make that 2016 levels. 2014 was nice for Dems in the Senate. 2016 was bad for both houses of Congress.
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Yes this. Take the small victory then fight like hell for the bigger one. Joe's numbers are getting worse because nothing is getting done. (and well the border is a mess) His own party is nuking his agenda when even most of their own constituents back his plan.

If Infrastructure blows up he is dead in 2024. The House flips for sure if they screw this up (I assume as of now it is 50/50 if it passes) which means nothing gets done and he then faces off against either Trump or a Trump lackey with a deeply divided party, a group of Independents who have no loyalty to him anymore and 70 million strong (minus a few hundred thousand murdered by their leaders) just frothing at the mouth to prove he was never the rightful President anyways.

And yes to more judges. The ones they are getting through are good but this should be nonstop until next year. There are dozens of spots to fill and we need liberals there ASAP.
 
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