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POTUS 46.10: A New Hope

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The Sicatoka said:
Can that build plan also include the disposal plan to go with them?

Wind turbine blades are becoming the non-radioactive version of spent nuclear fuel --> Where do you put them at end of life?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy
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I saw numerous ideas in the article for recycling them. Seems to me there are solutions. Unfortunately humanity is usually too lazy and too cheap to incorporate end of life options for the shit it produces. We'll see what happens but in my mind there should be strict enforceable government regulations for all of it.
 
The Sicatoka said:
Can that build plan also include the disposal plan to go with them?

Wind turbine blades are becoming the non-radioactive version of spent nuclear fuel --> Where do you put them at end of life?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy
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Ground up into pellets...

Hmmmm....

Wonder if that could be recycled into an additive into asphalt for highways. The resin probably (unfortunately) breaks down below asphalt batching temperatures, which might throw off the AC content, but even then the fiberglass pellets might be worthwhile. Until they chemically breakdown...

Small enough mixes might be beneficial though, recycled Asphalt Product is already limited in our mixes. I may have to make a couple calls.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Being serious, essentially he didn't give a speech that was written for flair, he was talking directly to the American people. To the effect of:
  • Do you really want lead pipes? Of course not. Let's get this done.
  • Let's build the [wind] turbine blades in Pennsylvania, not Beijing.
  • Let's create a new NIH version of DARPA. (This got me all hot and bothered.)
  • Let's give your kid a head start and provide two years of Pre-K. Let's also help them out with two years of grades 13 and 14.
  • Trickle. Down. Has. Never. Worked. I won't raise taxes on anyone making under $400k. The tax cuts the Republicans passed may have given you a few bucks, but most of it went to CEOs' pockets. Let's raise taxes on the highest bracket back to what they were with George W. Bush. Just the highest bracket.
  • Why haven't we reauthorized the VAWA? That's ridiculous. I wrote it. Let's reauthorize it.
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Good. I can agree with everything there.

Dems need to talk dumb and govern smart. The opposite of the last 40 years.

Tell the derps what they wanna hear, then do the right thing regardless.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Can that build plan also include the disposal plan to go with them?

Wind turbine blades are becoming the non-radioactive version of spent nuclear fuel --> Where do you put them at end of life?
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Huh, I haven't heard this particular concern trolling before.

(Pulls up chair.)

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The Sicatoka said:
Can that build plan also include the disposal plan to go with them?

Wind turbine blades are becoming the non-radioactive version of spent nuclear fuel --> Where do you put them at end of life?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy
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Would you rather have the blades imported from China? Wind turbines are going to happen whether you are concerned or not.

Seems to me, being logical and all, making the blades here in the US would benefit everyone to the point that there would be a little more tax dollars available to deal with the waste AND having them made locally *might* result in those makers figuring out a way to recycle them- or at least repair them (as opposed to pretending that we can send the back to China, or expect the makers to fly over here to repair them).

The concern may be valid, but it's not really important at this point. Much like pretending that tax cuts that inflate the deficit is somehow better than using the same money to have projects done.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I see Tim Scott followed the Republican script of lying for the entire speech. Just once I'd like those ********s to tell the truth.
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Tim Scott 2021: America does not have a racism problem (except the Dems who are...racist?)
Tim Scott 2018: I have been pulled over 7 times (insinuating in front of Congress he was racially profiled)
 
Sorry Sic, but this is so typical of the modern right wing's tact of "It doesn't 100% solve every imaginable problem and therefore we should stick to the current (awful) process". It's the same bad-faith argument used against mask mandates (they aren't 100%!!!) and restaurant closers (people just have house parties!!!).

Yes, there are issues with disposal. But they're a tiny fraction of the issues caused by the continued mass burning of fossil fuels.
 
Kepler said:
Good. I can agree with everything there.

Dems need to talk dumb and govern smart. The opposite of the last 40 years.

Tell the derps what they wanna hear, then do the right thing regardless.
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Biden seems to be the perfect candidate to do just that. He has the knowledge to know what needs to be done (and how best to try to get it done) but doesn't speak above the audience. That is why "Independents" love him.

Back to Tim Scott, I didn't watch but the prevailing opinion (besides that he is a sellout) is that he didn't write the rebuttal and whoever did pretty much proved the GOP has nothing to offer. They basically had their "Black Friend" say that the Dems are the real racists and Trump solved COVID. It wasn't a rebuttal, it was the GOP, on live television looking at Trump and his ilk and saying:

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Swansong said:
Sorry Sic, but this is so typical of the modern right wing's tact of "It doesn't 100% solve every imaginable problem and therefore we should stick to the current (awful) process". It's the same bad-faith argument used against mask mandates (they aren't 100%!!!) and restaurant closers (people just have house parties!!!).

Yes, there are issues with disposal. But they're a tiny fraction of the issues caused by the continued mass burning of fossil fuels.
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That's because it's an insincere tactic.

In the 1950s the cigarette industry realized all the science that showed their product caused cancer was correct. They explicitly created propaganda not to try to counter the science but just to muddy the waters so that all reforms were slow-walked. By doing this they were allowed to murder millions more people for over thirty years.

Heavy industry and the fossil fuel industry have known about pollution since the 1930s and climate change since the 1970s. They do the same thing: all of these talking points guys like Sic are indoctrinated with in the Echo Chamber are designed so that we "don't do anything radical" and "don't make the cure worse than the disease." It is all just stonewalling to keep the profits rolling. They do exactly the same thing on police reform, taxation, everything.

The ten or so intelligent people on the Right know they are wrong of the issues, so they need a way to stop the system from working. These are criminals spending billions to protect trillions in theft.
 
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Tim Scott is an ambitious man who does not care what he needs to say or do to be President someday. He sees a wide open lane. c.f. Jindal, B.; Haley, N.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Can that build plan also include the disposal plan to go with them?

Wind turbine blades are becoming the non-radioactive version of spent nuclear fuel --> Where do you put them at end of life?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759376113/unfurling-the-waste-problem-caused-by-wind-energy
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well shit, I guess we better keep pumping dinosaur guts* out of the ground and burning it



* yes, I know fossil fuels were actually formed from ancient marine organisms, but I had a professor that would disparagingly refer to fossil fuel extraction that way
 
We as a society have good ideas but seldom think them through end-to-end.
We are all about immediate gratification, be it not thinking through spent nuclear fuel or what to do with turbine blades.

I have no problem with wind or solar; my issue is lack of large scale energy storage (to get production and demand aligned) and lack of enough high-voltage continental interconnects*.


*MISO and SPP had energy (80% coal and nat-gas produced) for ERCOT during the Texas fiasco, but no way to get it there.
 
Kepler said:
Tim Scott is an ambitious man who does not care what he needs to say or do to be President someday. He sees a wide open lane. c.f. Jindal, B.; Haley, N.
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Yeah well Jindal died on the vine after his chance at rebuttal and Haley's chances are pretty mediocre. (zero if Trump either runs or hand picks someone) They will let you be the "POC Friend" but they won't let you actually lead anything. Hell even when they do they put you in a position to fail. Who the hell puts a neurosurgeon in charge of HUD?

The amount of anger Scott must swallow every time the dog whistle comes out must be insane. (of course he chose this so not sure how much I care)
 
The Sicatoka said:
We as a society have good ideas but seldom think them through end-to-end.
We are all about immediate gratification, be it not thinking through spent nuclear fuel or what to do with turbine blades.

I have no problem with wind or solar; my issue is lack of large scale energy storage (to get production and demand aligned) and lack of enough high-voltage continental interconnects*.


*MISO and SPP had energy (80% coal and nat-gas produced) for ERCOT during the Texas fiasco, but no way to get it there.
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Texas cut themselves off of the grid. So............that's on them. Personally I think more of the grid should be regulated at the Federal level but that's me. As for storage, someone is working on it but you have to get some of this stuff OUT of the private sector. The private sector the way it is constructed now wants the big P and doesn't like spending on research.
 
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