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POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
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Handyman
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Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Being pragmatic doesnt make you moderate.
Being pragmatic doesnt make you moderate.
ericredaxe
Veteran
What about the whole of Charlie Baker or Susan Collins positions do you not find moderate?
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
It's his equivalent of Dubya's "This job is hard! It's hard bein' President! hehehehe"
It's his equivalent of Dubya's "This job is hard! It's hard bein' President! hehehehe"
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Dead Dick Nixon agrees:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As it stands, though, their only political hope for getting things through, now, today, on a large scale, is starting a war.</p>— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) <a href="https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/849826279796985856">April 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Dead Dick Nixon agrees:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As it stands, though, their only political hope for getting things through, now, today, on a large scale, is starting a war.</p>— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) <a href="https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/849826279796985856">April 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Handyman
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Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Oh good lord fine they are moderate Gary Johnson Fanboy you win.
Oh good lord fine they are moderate Gary Johnson Fanboy you win.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Lisa Murkowski isn't moderate, she just does what's she told (and gets away with it because the Alaska Democrats never challenge her).
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
McCain was the last honorable Republican, and he blew that away in 2008. So, there is no longer a sensible R in Congress. Perhaps a few who go through the motions, like McCain, Collins, Graham, etc. And a few who desperately want to disassociate from Trump in the event of a sh*tstorm.
McCain was the last honorable Republican, and he blew that away in 2008. So, there is no longer a sensible R in Congress. Perhaps a few who go through the motions, like McCain, Collins, Graham, etc. And a few who desperately want to disassociate from Trump in the event of a sh*tstorm.
ericredaxe
Veteran
That is a lame answer but not unexpected. I assumed that you had no substance behind your statement.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Those aren't moderates.
Those aren't moderates.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Simple answer is the party is too far right. 25 years ago they would be the extremists with their positions today. There are no moderate Republicans. Period.
ericredaxe
Veteran
While I fully agree that as a whole, the party has moved way too far to the right, I think it is simply untrue to claim that there are no moderates remaining.
I'll ask again... Take Charlie Baker for an example. What disqualifies him as being considered moderate?
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Nothing. But, he's not in Congress. No one in Congress is moderate. Period. He has to be moderate cause he's in one of the small minority of Blue States left and he's a Governor. Even if you think Susan Collins is moderate (and I may agree with you) when push comes to shove she'll give Mitch what he wants if he needs her to. That makes her a radical.
Nothing. But, he's not in Congress. No one in Congress is moderate. Period. He has to be moderate cause he's in one of the small minority of Blue States left and he's a Governor. Even if you think Susan Collins is moderate (and I may agree with you) when push comes to shove she'll give Mitch what he wants if he needs her to. That makes her a radical.
Handyman
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Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Only you would take a person who said you win and would not be satisfied. Guess I shouldnt be surprised...
From what little I know of Baker he definitely qualifies as a moderate. I am surprised Republicans dont go after him for being a RINO seeing as he supports gay rights. But he is not a Congressmen so he really isnt relevant...plus he is Governor of an Uber Blue State.
Lisa Murkowski is not a moderate. She does what she is told by her Party overlords and plays pragmatist when she can. I believe it was the Betsy Devos vote that showed what her real convictions are.
John McCain is not a moderate, hasnt been since he lost to Dubya. Sure he gives speeches that make him sound moderate sometimes but he hardly votes against the Party (a party that is very far right) and seems itching for some more war.
Collins I flip flop on but overall I will agree she is a moderate.
The overall point though Mr. Pedantic, is that Collins and Baker are by FAR the exception. Most like them get primaried these days ESPECIALLY in Congress. (it is different for a Governor like Baker) The Moderate Republican Movement died with the rise of the Neo-Con.
Only you would take a person who said you win and would not be satisfied. Guess I shouldnt be surprised...
From what little I know of Baker he definitely qualifies as a moderate. I am surprised Republicans dont go after him for being a RINO seeing as he supports gay rights. But he is not a Congressmen so he really isnt relevant...plus he is Governor of an Uber Blue State.
Lisa Murkowski is not a moderate. She does what she is told by her Party overlords and plays pragmatist when she can. I believe it was the Betsy Devos vote that showed what her real convictions are.
John McCain is not a moderate, hasnt been since he lost to Dubya. Sure he gives speeches that make him sound moderate sometimes but he hardly votes against the Party (a party that is very far right) and seems itching for some more war.
Collins I flip flop on but overall I will agree she is a moderate.
The overall point though Mr. Pedantic, is that Collins and Baker are by FAR the exception. Most like them get primaried these days ESPECIALLY in Congress. (it is different for a Governor like Baker) The Moderate Republican Movement died with the rise of the Neo-Con.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Unification of R Senators show how "moderate" R's are
There *are* no moderate Republicans left, especially compared to 15+ years ago.
Unification of R Senators show how "moderate" R's are
There *are* no moderate Republicans left, especially compared to 15+ years ago.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
That should just be put into the Library of Congress as the explanation of conservative politics from 1978 - the present. It is exactly correct.
That should just be put into the Library of Congress as the explanation of conservative politics from 1978 - the present. It is exactly correct.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Here is a description of the NOMINATE ideological score metric.
Here is a mapping of NOMINATE ideological orientation of every Congress from 1789 through 2010. I can't find anything for 2010-2017, though I would guess an extrapolation from 2003-2010. The local minimum for GOP extremism (roughly +0.2) is around the 95th Congress, 1977. Since then they have gone off the chain to a GOP record of roughly +0.7 (extrapolation through 2017 of +0.8). The most extreme the Dems ever got was in the 55th Congress (1897) of about -0.5, though the Dem numbers from the first half of the 20th Century are deceptive since they factor in both liberal Democrats and highly conservative Dixicrats.
In any case, the GOP mean is the most extreme from the national historical mean since the Federalists shortly before their extinction. Even the most moderate conservative outliers now are roughly where the GOP center was during a long period of stability between the 70th and 90th congresses (1927-1969), right before the Southern Strategy kicked in and the GOP absorbed the Dixiecrats.
Here is a description of the NOMINATE ideological score metric.
Here is a mapping of NOMINATE ideological orientation of every Congress from 1789 through 2010. I can't find anything for 2010-2017, though I would guess an extrapolation from 2003-2010. The local minimum for GOP extremism (roughly +0.2) is around the 95th Congress, 1977. Since then they have gone off the chain to a GOP record of roughly +0.7 (extrapolation through 2017 of +0.8). The most extreme the Dems ever got was in the 55th Congress (1897) of about -0.5, though the Dem numbers from the first half of the 20th Century are deceptive since they factor in both liberal Democrats and highly conservative Dixicrats.
In any case, the GOP mean is the most extreme from the national historical mean since the Federalists shortly before their extinction. Even the most moderate conservative outliers now are roughly where the GOP center was during a long period of stability between the 70th and 90th congresses (1927-1969), right before the Southern Strategy kicked in and the GOP absorbed the Dixiecrats.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Hey Kep, looks like your ilk now have more in common with Harvard than a secret handshake. http://freebeacon.com/culture/harvard-grad-students-start-resistance-school/
Hey Kep, looks like your ilk now have more in common with Harvard than a secret handshake. http://freebeacon.com/culture/harvard-grad-students-start-resistance-school/
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?
Those people are not my people:
The 1990s called. They want their tedious hissy fits about intersectionality back. This stuff is every bit as absurd as CPAC. Throw both sides in Thunderdome and shoot whoever survives.
Those people are not my people:
The 1990s called. They want their tedious hissy fits about intersectionality back. This stuff is every bit as absurd as CPAC. Throw both sides in Thunderdome and shoot whoever survives.
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