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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Troop withdrawals in and of themselves wouldn't have been a crime, just reckless and irresponsible. Unless you've got Trump on tape agreeing to do it for Vlad and/or Xi, it changes nothing.
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As I see this- it's a massive example of how the Racist party has dedicated itself to dumpy instead of it's historical policy. In the past and even now, it's been the "end of the world" cry when there has been any suggestion of troop draw down. And many cries of "you are telling the enemy to just sit and wait until day X to move in. The Racist party has always been a massive group of people who were very interested in using our military for some reason.

And then this big draw down happened. The "response" was more quite objections and not happy- basically nobody crossed pee lines with dumpy over this. And NOBODY broke ranks because of the draw down. Even if we find out that this was some kind of agreement, they would stand up for him- even when this is 100% the opposite direction of every Republican over the last 70 years.

That's pretty sick.
 
MichVandal said:
In the past and even now, it's been the "end of the world" cry when there has been any suggestion of troop draw down. And many cries of "you are telling the enemy to just sit and wait until day X to move in. The Racist party has always been a massive group of people who were very interested in using our military for some reason.
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We can exploit that to do some good. Typically it is impossible to whisper about ending The Empire without being treated to the THERE COLORS DON'T RUN HERP chorus.

These morons are a player piano, so use it. If we can save the world using their spite against them, fine.
 
The thing is, you just can't cede that influence in the world to other states who will move into that power vacuum created, and will have even more nefarious global intentions than we did.

Vladdy's big plan was to leave the US withdrawn, isolated and without allies, where he could use that to exert his influence in the regions we had vacated. Think of a Europe aligned with Russia, rather than with NATO. Think of Russian free reign in the middle east. Then add China into that mix.
 
rufus said:
Vladdy's big plan was to leave the US withdrawn, isolated and without allies, where he could use that to exert his influence in the regions we had vacated. Think of a Europe aligned with Russia, rather than with NATO. Think of Russian free reign in the middle east. Then add China into that mix.
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Would that be a bad thing if fewer people died in east-west proxy wars created to merely flex power and sell more arms?

I'm no fan of Vlad or Xi, but we don't need oil they'd soon control either. About the only thing North America is missing is some of the rare earth elements mined in China (by questionable means).

In your scenario, Russia and China would be at each other's throat in no time. Stay on the sidelines and let 'em go at it.

The biggest loser in this scenario? Not Europe, ... Israel.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I don't give him that much credit.
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Dump either has himself or more likely via one of his goons (or most likely his Russian handler) picked up on the whole End the (((Globalist))) New World Order schtick.

This is frustrating because it is close to a legitimate critique of imperialism, but for all the wrong reasons and by the worst and dumbest people. It's like how Randians oppose the draft and school prayer so you have to hold your nose when they protest with you on those.

Let's say he may have been the broken clock with the right time but the clock is still cynical, criminal, vicious, and dumb as a rock.
 
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Except I don't think it's a good idea to cede control to Russia and China, as noble as trying to get out of the imperialism business is. and the second you pull out, both will be in there building power and influence.

There is no Earth that exists now or in the future where imperialism doesn't exist. So no, I don't think I'll plug my nose in this case. It's just a bad idea. :-)
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Except I don't think it's a good idea to cede control to Russia and China, as noble as trying to get out of the imperialism business is. and the second you pull out, both will be in there building power and influence.
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I'm starting to think we let just them. Empire is its own punishment; imperialism its own grave digger.

Plus, the ship has sailed in Africa. It's already a wholly owned subsidiary of China.
 
If you look at the casualties of conflicts and deliberate killings since the end of WW2, the US has to be pretty high in culpability. Maybe only China higher.

1 Deliberate Famine (USSR)
2 Chinese Civil War (China)
4 Suppression of Counterrevolution (China)
2 Korea (China)
1 Algeria (France)
3 Gulags (USSR)
15 Deliberate Famine (China)
1 Killing Fields (Indonesia)
7 Labor Camps (China)
4 Vietnam-Laos (US)
2 Cambodia (Cambodia)
2 Cultural Revolution (China)
2 Bangladesh Civil War (Bangladesh)
3 Nigerian Civil War (Nigeria)
1 Afghanistan (USSR)
1 Rwanda (Rwanda)
1 Iran-Iraq (Iraq)
2 Sudan Civil War (Sudan)
4 Congo (Congo)
1 GWOT (US)
1 Iraq (US)
1 Tibet (China)
1 Labor Camps (North Korea)

43 China
6 US
5 USSR
4 Congo
3 Nigeria
2 Cambodia
2 Bangladesh
2 Sudan
1 France
1 Indonesia
1 Iraq
1 North Korea
1 Rwanda
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Rufus speculated a marginalized US. So the US leaves, and thus fewer US-Russia proxy conflicts.
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Because of all those US-Russia proxy conflicts of late. Also rufus didn't just allude to the US leaving he said:

Vladdy's big plan was to leave the US withdrawn, isolated and without allies, where he could use that to exert his influence in the regions we had vacated.
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I wouldn't see that leading to less peace at all. Think big picture.
 
You should add deliberate famine to the list for the Norks. Their people didn't have to starve during the famine in the 90s, which was caused in part by the regime's own incompetence, but then the regime also refused most international aid. Plus the aid they did accept went straight to the regime and the military.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You should add deliberate famine to the list for the Norks. Their people didn't have to starve during the famine in the 90s, which was caused in part by the regime's own incompetence, but then the regime also refused most international aid. Plus the aid they did accept went straight to the regime and the military.
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Good catch. Was it over a million though?

It may have been only a minor mass murder.
 
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Deathsantis has paved the road for dump to get a casino license at doral lololololol
 
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