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I think you are wrong. Manchin will always be a problem but Sinema has nothing to fear (nor will Kelly when he joins) because Arizona has no one of value to run against her right now. (and well is shifting Blue) She isnt up for re-election until what 2024?

I think you underestimate how big the shift will be in the Senate if the Dems take it back. It wont go to Kepler's extreme but unless it is 50/50 Manchin is going to be the outlier. (and given cover) Hell if the Dems can somehow get to 52-53 those 3 become the Left's version of Collins and Murkowski.

I could well be wrong. I would love to be wrong. I could very well be underestimating the shift. Assuming this board, and our country, is around in 2024, I’ll be back to admit I was wrong. I love this board. Challenges my thoughts of governing from people in my own party, and not the silly, hogwash, easily debunked sh-t Republicans come up with.
 
I think you are wrong. Manchin will always be a problem but Sinema has nothing to fear (nor will Kelly when he joins) because Arizona has no one of value to run against her right now. (and well is shifting Blue) She isnt up for re-election until what 2024?

I think you underestimate how big the shift will be in the Senate if the Dems take it back. It wont go to Kepler's extreme but unless it is 50/50 Manchin is going to be the outlier. (and given cover) Hell if the Dems can somehow get to 52-53 those 3 become the Left's version of Collins and Murkowski.

We are projected to be anywhere from 51 through 53. We can afford everyone above 50 to defect on ending the filibuster.

Manchin will certainly stab us; given our agenda he will essentially become a Republican from now on. Sinema and Kelly are both safe. Tester is questionable, but remember too this is going to be The Only Vote that Matters for the next Congress, right on Day One, with the entire efficacy of that Congress on the line, and after a protracted battle against actual armed Nazis in the streets. Basically, everything either stops there or it continues. That's what happens when you make real change: it's close.

We have to act boldly and quickly. We have no idea how long we will have real power -- it could be a matter of weeks until some conservative assassinates a Democratic Senator and a Republican governor names the replacement. That is where the Right is, now, so we have to neutralize them immediately. You don't drop the knife when Michael Myers is on his back.
 
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I could well be wrong. I would love to be wrong. I could very well be underestimating the shift. Assuming this board, and our country, is around in 2024, I’ll be back to admit I was wrong. I love this board. Challenges my thoughts of governing from people in my own party, and not the silly, hogwash, easily debunked sh-t Republicans come up with.

The Republicans proved you don't need a national shift to move the government into a radical position. They moved us from a liberal democracy to a fascist autocracy with 35% of the population behind them.

Power grows in the using. Mandates are not bestowed they are manufactured.
 
There was an article posted on here like a year ago...might have been by Kepler. Basically it discussed how the GOP in the 70s realized that taking things away was not a winning strategy, especially as part of their two pronged assault to cut taxes and steal everything. If the Dems were promising to give everything away the GOP had to find a way to make it seem like they were doing it too...even though they were going to cut taxes to the point that we can barely fund buying a stamp.

This is the piece.

Tom won't mind:

When Barry Goldwater went down to ignominious defeat in 1964, most Republicans felt doomed (among them the then-28-year-old Wanniski). Goldwater himself, although uncomfortable with the rising religious right within his own party and the calls for more intrusion in people's bedrooms, was a diehard fan of Herbert Hoover's economic worldview.

In Hoover's world (and virtually all the Republicans since reconstruction with the exception of Teddy Roosevelt), market fundamentalism was a virtual religion. Economists from Ludwig von Mises to Friedrich Hayek to Milton Friedman had preached that government could only make a mess of things economic, and the world of finance should be left to the Big Boys – the Masters of the Universe, as they sometimes called themselves – who ruled Wall Street and international finance.

Hoover enthusiastically followed the advice of his Treasury Secretary, multimillionaire Andrew Mellon, who said in 1931: "Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate. Purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down... enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people."

Thus, the Republican mantra was: "Lower taxes, reduce the size of government, and balance the budget."

The only problem with this ideology from the Hooverite perspective was that the Democrats always seemed like the bestowers of gifts, while the Republicans were seen by the American people as the stingy Scrooges, bent on making the lives of working people harder all the while making richer the very richest. This, Republican strategists since 1930 knew, was no way to win elections.

Which was why the most successful Republican of the 20th century up to that time, Dwight D. Eisenhower, had been quite happy with a top income tax rate on millionaires of 91 percent. As he wrote to his brother Edgar Eisenhower in a personal letter on November 8, 1954:

"[T]o attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon 'moderation' in government.

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt [you possibly know his background], a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

Goldwater, however, rejected the "liberalism" of Eisenhower, Rockefeller, and other "moderates" within his own party. Extremism in defense of liberty was no vice, he famously told the 1964 nominating convention, and moderation was no virtue. And it doomed him and his party.

And so after Goldwater's defeat, the Republicans were again lost in the wilderness just as after Hoover's disastrous presidency. Even four years later when Richard Nixon beat Hubert Humphrey in 1968, Nixon wasn't willing to embrace the economic conservatism of Goldwater and the economic true believers in the Republican Party. And Jerry Ford wasn't, in their opinions, much better. If Nixon and Ford believed in economic conservatism, they were afraid to practice it for fear of dooming their party to another forty years in the electoral wilderness.

By 1974, Jude Wanniski had had enough. The Democrats got to play Santa Claus when they passed out Social Security and Unemployment checks – both programs of the New Deal – as well as when their "big government" projects like roads, bridges, and highways were built giving a healthy union paycheck to construction workers. They kept raising taxes on businesses and rich people to pay for things, which didn't seem to have much effect at all on working people (wages were steadily going up, in fact), and that made them seem like a party of Robin Hoods, taking from the rich to fund programs for the poor and the working class. Americans loved it. And every time Republicans railed against these programs, they lost elections.

Everybody understood at the time that economies are driven by demand. People with good jobs have money in their pockets, and want to use it to buy things. The job of the business community is to either determine or drive that demand to their particular goods, and when they're successful at meeting the demand then factories get built, more people become employed to make more products, and those newly-employed people have a paycheck that further increases demand.

Wanniski decided to turn the classical world of economics – which had operated on this simple demand-driven equation for seven thousand years – on its head. In 1974 he invented a new phrase – "supply side economics" – and suggested that the reason economies grew wasn't because people had money and wanted to buy things with it but, instead, because things were available for sale, thus tantalizing people to part with their money. The more things there were, the faster the economy would grow.

At the same time, Arthur Laffer was taking that equation a step further. Not only was supply-side a rational concept, Laffer suggested, but as taxes went down, revenue to the government would go up!

Neither concept made any sense – and time has proven both to be colossal idiocies – but together they offered the Republican Party a way out of the wilderness.


Ronald Reagan was the first national Republican politician to suggest that he could cut taxes on rich people and businesses, that those tax cuts would cause them to take their surplus money and build factories or import large quantities of cheap stuff from low-labor countries, and that the more stuff there was supplying the economy the faster it would grow. George Herbert Walker Bush – like most Republicans of the time – was horrified. Ronald Reagan was suggesting "Voodoo Economics," said Bush in the primary campaign, and Wanniski's supply-side and Laffer's tax-cut theories would throw the nation into such deep debt that we'd ultimately crash into another Republican Great Depression.

But Wanniski had been doing his homework on how to sell supply-side economics. In 1976, he rolled out to the hard-right insiders in the Republican Party his "Two Santa Clauses" theory, which would enable the Republicans to take power in America for the next thirty years.

Democrats, he said, had been able to be "Santa Clauses" by giving people things from the largesse of the federal government. Republicans could do that, too – spending could actually increase. Plus, Republicans could be double Santa Clauses by cutting people's taxes! For working people it would only be a small token – a few hundred dollars a year on average – but would be heavily marketed. And for the rich it would amount to hundreds of billions of dollars in tax cuts. The rich, in turn, would use that money to import or build more stuff to market, thus increasing supply and stimulating the economy. And that growth in the economy would mean that the people still paying taxes would pay more because they were earning more.

There was no way, Wanniski said, that the Democrats could ever win again. They'd have to be anti-Santas by raising taxes, or anti-Santas by cutting spending. Either one would lose them elections.


When Reagan rolled out Supply Side Economics in the early 80s, dramatically cutting taxes while exploding (mostly military) spending, there was a moment when it seemed to Wanniski and Laffer that all was lost. The budget deficit exploded and the country fell into a deep recession – the worst since the Great Depression – and Republicans nationwide held their collective breath. But David Stockman came up with a great new theory about what was going on – they were "starving the beast" of government by running up such huge deficits that Democrats would never, ever in the future be able to talk again about national health care or improving Social Security – and this so pleased Alan Greenspan, the Fed Chairman, that he opened the spigots of the Fed, dropping interest rates and buying government bonds, producing a nice, healthy goose to the economy. Greenspan further counseled Reagan to dramatically increase taxes on people earning under $37,800 a year by increasing the Social Security (FICA/payroll) tax, and then let the government borrow those newfound hundreds of billions of dollars off-the-books to make the deficit look better than it was.

Reagan, Greenspan, Winniski, and Laffer took the federal budget deficit from under a trillion dollars in 1980 to almost three trillion by 1988, and back then a dollar could buy far more than it buys today. They and George HW Bush ran up more debt in eight years than every president in history, from George Washington to Jimmy Carter, combined. Surely this would both starve the beast and force the Democrats to make the politically suicidal move of becoming deficit hawks.


And that's just how it turned out. Bill Clinton, who had run on an FDR-like platform of a "new covenant" with the American people that would strengthen the institutions of the New Deal, strengthen labor, and institute a national health care system, found himself in a box. A few weeks before his inauguration, Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin sat him down and told him the facts of life: he was going to have to raise taxes and cut the size of government. Clinton took their advice to heart, raised taxes, balanced the budget, and cut numerous programs, declaring an "end to welfare as we know it" and, in his second inaugural address, an "end to the era of big government." He was the anti-Santa Claus, and the result was an explosion of Republican wins across the country as Republican politicians campaigned on a platform of supply-side tax cuts and pork-rich spending increases.

Looking at the wreckage of the Democratic Party all around Clinton by 1999, Winniski wrote a gloating memo that said, in part: "We of course should be indebted to Art Laffer for all time for his Curve... But as the primary political theoretician of the supply-side camp, I began arguing for the 'Two Santa Claus Theory' in 1974. If the Democrats are going to play Santa Claus by promoting more spending, the Republicans can never beat them by promoting less spending. They have to promise tax cuts..."

Ed Crane, president of the Libertarian CATO Institute, noted in a memo that year: "When Jack Kemp, Newt Gingich, Vin Weber, Connie Mack and the rest discovered Jude Wanniski and Art Laffer, they thought they'd died and gone to heaven. In supply-side economics they found a philosophy that gave them a free pass out of the debate over the proper role of government. Just cut taxes and grow the economy: government will shrink as a percentage of GDP, even if you don't cut spending. That's why you rarely, if ever, heard Kemp or Gingrich call for spending cuts, much less the elimination of programs and departments."

George W. Bush embraced the Two Santa Claus Theory with gusto, ramming through huge tax cuts – particularly a cut to a maximum 15 percent income tax rate on people like himself who made their principle income from sitting around the pool waiting for their dividend or capital gains checks to arrive in the mail – and blowing out federal spending. Bush even out-spent Reagan, which nobody had ever thought would again be possible.

And it all seemed to be going so well, just as it did in the early 1920s when a series of three consecutive Republican presidents cut income taxes on the uber-rich from over 70 percent to under 30 percent. In 1929, pretty much everybody realized that instead of building factories with all that extra money, the rich had been pouring it into the stock market, inflating a bubble that – like an inexorable law of nature – would have to burst. But the people who remembered that lesson were mostly all dead by 2005, when Jude Wanniski died and George Gilder celebrated the Reagan/Bush supply-side-created bubble economies in a Wall Street Journal eulogy:

"...Jude's charismatic focus on the tax on capital gains redeemed the fiscal policies of four administrations. ... [T]he capital-gains tax has come erratically but inexorably down -- while the market capitalization of U.S. equities has risen from roughly a third of global market cap to close to half. These many trillions in new entrepreneurial wealth are a true warrant of the worth of his impact. Unbound by zero-sum economics, Jude forged the golden gift of a profound and passionate argument that the establishments of the mold must finally give way to the powers of the mind. He audaciously defied all the Buffetteers of the trade gap, the moldy figs of the Phillips Curve, the chic traders in money and principle, even the stultifying pillows of the Nobel Prize."

In reality, his tax cuts did what they have always done over the past 100 years – they initiated a bubble economy that would let the very rich skim the cream off the top just before the ceiling crashed in on working people.

The Republicans got what they wanted from Wanniski's work. They held power for thirty years, made themselves trillions of dollars, cut organized labor's representation in the workplace from around 25 percent when Reagan came into office to around 8 of the non-governmental workforce today, and left such a massive deficit that some misguided "conservative" Democrats are again clamoring to shoot Santa with working-class tax hikes and entitlement program cuts.

And now Boehner, McCain, Brooks, and the whole crowd are again clamoring to be recognized as the ones who will out-Santa Claus the Democrats. You'd think after all the damage they've done that David Gregory would have simply laughed Boehner off the program – much as the American people did to the Republicans in the last election – although Gregory is far too much a gentleman for that. Instead, he merely looked incredulous; it was enough.

The Two Santa Claus theory isn't dead, as we can see from today's Republican rhetoric. Hopefully, though, reality will continue to sink in with the American people and the massive fraud perpetrated by Wanniski, Reagan, Laffer, Graham, Bush(s), and all their "conservative" enablers will be seen for what it was and is. And the Obama administration can get about the business of repairing the damage and recovering the stolen assets of these cheap hustlers.
 
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Thank you for posting the article. Also, you realize Michael Myers can’t die, right? I hope the GOP isn’t Michael Myers, or we’re toast...
 
So, Kepler, if we don’t solidify the SC into a reinforcer of Democratic policies, you’re worried that the party of Santa Claus will get his throat slit by the Krampus SC? And, to throw in Scooby’s theory, if the media isn’t fixed, voters will be dumb enough to fall for the “both sides” sh-t shown on ABC, CNN, etc., and vote the GOP back into power in say 2024, before the newly passed, amazingly effective progressive legislation has had a chance to sink in with said voters?
 
So, Kepler, if we don’t solidify the SC into a reinforcer of Democratic policies, you’re worried that the party of Santa Claus will get his throat slit by the Krampus SC? And, to throw in Scooby’s theory, if the media isn’t fixed, voters will be dumb enough to fall for the “both sides” sh-t shown on ABC, CNN, etc., and vote the GOP back into power in say 2024, before the newly passed, amazingly effective progressive legislation has had a chance to sink in with said voters?

Yes, and yes.
 
As long as clowns like Chuck Todd exist that is always possible. His normalizing of the GOP behavior is beyond disgusting.
 
Thank you for posting the article. Also, you realize Michael Myers can’t die, right? I hope the GOP isn’t Michael Myers, or we’re toast...

He didn't start out as supernatural and that's actually the thing that destroyed that franchise. H1 is so scary. H2 has its moments. But after that... yikes... if you're fighting magic what's the point?
 
So, Kepler, if we don’t solidify the SC into a reinforcer of Democratic policies, you’re worried that the party of Santa Claus will get his throat slit by the Krampus SC? And, to throw in Scooby’s theory, if the media isn’t fixed, voters will be dumb enough to fall for the “both sides” sh-t shown on ABC, CNN, etc., and vote the GOP back into power in say 2024, before the newly passed, amazingly effective progressive legislation has had a chance to sink in with said voters?

I can see how I gave that impression but that's not really the problem.

The problem is how to unwind a 40-year death shroud of fascism that has been strangling this country. The reason for the immediacy is if we don't start we don't get anywhere, and if we leave the Nazis even a sliver of power then we will never start.

A free and fair election will never elect a Nazi outside of Dumbf-ckistan. That means no president and at most 30% of the House and 40% of the Senate. It's awful and depressing that so many places in our country are worthless cesspools, but it isn't dire -- we greatly outnumber them, and we get stronger every day while they get weaker. Further, more education and prosperity means they get even weaker -- the Right only thrives when there is economic and moral depression.

We are at a hinge of history, just as the Germans were in 1933. They failed. We have to succeed. But we are talking about a full court press that only needs to last about a generation -- a commitment not even as long as the war on terror. And while even terrorists has masterminds and brave psychotic foot soldiers, the Right has only imbeciles and cowards. Witness what passes for it here.

This war will be a rout, but it is a war. We cannot treat it as if it was normal politics because we are dealing with people who would end democracy forever.

The bad news is the Right is an existential threat to life on Earth.

The good news is they're tards.
 
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He didn't start out as supernatural and that's actually the thing that destroyed that franchise. H1 is so scary. H2 has its moments. But after that... yikes... if you're fighting magic what's the point?

Oh, for sure. He never should have been supernatural. Silly as sh-t. One of my wife’s favorite movies is Halloween. All of the references to towns, streets, etc. in Halloween are of actual Kentucky streets and locations, as creator John Carpenter was raised in Kentucky.
 
I can see how I gave that impression but that's not really the problem.

The problem is how to unwind a 40-year death shroud of fascism that has been strangling this country. The reason for the immediacy is if we don't start we don't get anywhere, and if we leave the Nazis even a sliver of power then we will never start.

A free and fair election will never elect a Nazi outside of Dumbf-ckistan. That means no president and at most 30% of the House and 40% of the Senate. It's awful and depressing that so many places in our country are worthless cesspools, but it isn't dire -- we greatly outnumber them, and we get stronger every day while they get weaker. Further, more education and prosperity means they get even weaker -- the Right only thrives when there is economic and moral depression.

We are at a hinge of history, just as the Germans were in 1933. They failed. We have to succeed. But we are talking about a full court press that only needs to last about a generation -- a commitment not even as long as the war on terror. And while even terrorists has masterminds and brave psychotic foot soldiers, the Right has only imbeciles and cowards. Witness what passes for it here.

This war will be a rout, but it is a war. We cannot treat it as if it was normal politics because we are dealing with people who would end democracy forever.

The bad news is the Right is an existential threat to life on Earth.

The good news is they're tards.

Alright, so I’ll be more specific. Are you worried a conservative Supreme Court and conservative court system overall will play a role in overturning free and fair elections going forward?
 
He's been doing pretty good the last few weeks TBH.

I completely disagree. He has the same pricks on he always does he lets them spew their crap and he almost never calls them on it. He is garbage and why NBC has such a love affair with him I will never know.

(there are worse mind you but I dont count cable news the same as Network)
 
I can see how I gave that impression but that's not really the problem.

The problem is how to unwind a 40-year death shroud of fascism that has been strangling this country. The reason for the immediacy is if we don't start we don't get anywhere, and if we leave the Nazis even a sliver of power then we will never start.

A free and fair election will never elect a Nazi outside of Dumbf-ckistan. That means no president and at most 30% of the House and 40% of the Senate. It's awful and depressing that so many places in our country are worthless cesspools, but it isn't dire -- we greatly outnumber them, and we get stronger every day while they get weaker. Further, more education and prosperity means they get even weaker -- the Right only thrives when there is economic and moral depression.

We are at a hinge of history, just as the Germans were in 1933. They failed. We have to succeed. But we are talking about a full court press that only needs to last about a generation -- a commitment not even as long as the war on terror. And while even terrorists has masterminds and brave psychotic foot soldiers, the Right has only imbeciles and cowards. Witness what passes for it here.

This war will be a rout, but it is a war. We cannot treat it as if it was normal politics because we are dealing with people who would end democracy forever.

The bad news is the Right is an existential threat to life on Earth.

The good news is they're tards.

To be fair the Germans were stuck. They couldnt form a government without Hitler's Nazis because everything was so divided. Hitler was supposed to be a figurehead as Chancellor and bring his 36% with him and settling things down. They thought they could control him and his maniacs...

The US doesnt have that issue. It doesnt matter how divided we are who ever has the most ECs is in. If that ceases to be the case the sytem fails. There is no compromise or coalition style governments.

That is about the only time I will ever defend that period of German History ;-)
 
To be fair the Germans were stuck. They couldnt form a government without Hitler's Nazis because everything was so divided. Hitler was supposed to be a figurehead as Chancellor and bring his 36% with him and settling things down. They thought they could control him and his maniacs...

The US doesnt have that issue. It doesnt matter how divided we are who ever has the most ECs is in. If that ceases to be the case the sytem fails. There is no compromise or coalition style governments.

That is about the only time I will ever defend that period of German History ;-)

This is an excellent series of essays you might find interesting.
 
So how is everyone's morning going so far?

https://twitter.com/lyzl/status/1316357133093531649
@lyzl: So already this morning we have a media outlet legitimizing a fake news smear campaign against Biden that literally got the president impeached awhile back and another outlet providing him with free 90 min uninterrupted air time when he ducked out of a debate.
 
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