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POTUS 45.65: I'm Just Here For The Lincoln Project Ads

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Trump's going to host the Rush Limbaugh show tomorrow as a "virtual rally"

I think he's about ready to quit, claim fraud and start his new career as a full time grifter.
 
Just saw on Facebook that Nancy Pelosi is holding a press conference tomorrow morning "to discuss the introduction of the Commission on Presidential Capacity to discharge the powers and duties of office act." 25th Amendment - let's see if this happens.
 
Handyman said:
Seems like a waste of time and I doubt the optics will be great...
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I agree. There was a lot of shit today that would have been a news story for a month. THis one seems ill-advised. Don't pull this shit unless he's literally wandering around the WH naked.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Uh.....this on the other hand....


Either Pence is sick or ****'s about to hit the fan.
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Yep. If they are pulling him from campaigning something is going down. If he gets "25thed" all hell might break loose.

Meanwhile Joe Biden again:

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bronconick said:
Trump's going to host the Rush Limbaugh show tomorrow as a "virtual rally"

I think he's about ready to quit, claim fraud and start his new career as a full time grifter.
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Yep. He'll never frame it as him quitting though. He's going straight to the base to say things like "so unfair", "mail-in vote fraud", "ballot harvesting", "we need poll watchers", "Crazy Nancy and Sleepy Joe's allies in the liberal media are against me and you", "I'm not attending the town hall because they'll just pick people who want to ambush me", etc.
 
I really don’t think Pelosi would be doing this unless she’s getting some disturbing info from places like military leaders, doctors, and/or government officials. Like Trump might be mentally off and chucking around the N word (not that one, the big boom one).
 
Jimjamesak said:
I really don’t think Pelosi would be doing this unless she’s getting some disturbing info from places like military leaders, doctors, and/or government officials. Like Trump might be mentally off and chucking around the N word (not that one, the big boom one).
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That or an actual dementia diagnosis would be the only legitimate reasons to invoke 25A, IMO. And even then, my understanding is that he can just say he's fine and they have to give him the keys back.
 
Handyman said:
Yep. If they are pulling him from campaigning something is going down. If he gets "25thed" all hell might break loose.

Meanwhile Joe Biden again:

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I don't think it's 25A, that's going nowhere. After reading what Pelosi is discussing tomorrow, it's just a nothingburger meant to rattle Trump's cage.

On the other hand, remember the last time Pence flew home? That was the day herman cain was hospitalized. That was kind of a big deal because I'm guessing that was one of the first brushes with COVID for POTUS.

The incumbent VP doesn't abruptly cancel shit and fly to DC under four weeks from election day.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
That or an actual dementia diagnosis would be the only legitimate reasons to invoke 25A, IMO. And even then, my understanding is that he can just say he's fine and they have to give him the keys back.
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This is exactly my understanding as well. 25A isn't removal. It's temporary.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
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The thing that catches my eye is "or of such other body as Congress". What the hell does that really mean?
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
That or an actual dementia diagnosis would be the only legitimate reasons to invoke 25A, IMO. And even then, my understanding is that he can just say he's fine and they have to give him the keys back.
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Not exactly. I would assume they are going to use Section 4:

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Section 4 addresses the case of an incapacitated president who is unable or unwilling to execute the voluntary declaration contemplated in Section 3; it is the amendment's only section that has never been invoked. It allows the vice president, together with a "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide", to declare the president "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" in a written declaration. The transfer of authority to the vice president is immediate, and (as with Section 3) the vice president becomes acting president – not president – while the president remains in office, albeit divested of all authority.[SUP][6][/SUP]

The "principal officers of the executive departments" are the fifteen Cabinet members enumerated in the United States Code at 5 U.S.C 101:[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP]
A president thus declared unable to serve may subsequently issue a declaration stating that he is able. This marks the beginning of a four-day period during which the vice president remains acting president.[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP]:38n137[/SUP] If by the end of this period the vice president and a majority of the "principal officers of the executive departments" have not issued a second declaration of the president's incapacity, then the president resumes his powers and duties.

If a second declaration of incapacity is issued within the four-day period, then the vice president remains acting president while Congress considers the matter. If within 21 days the Senate and the House determine, each by a two-thirds vote, that the president is incapacitated, then the vice president continues as acting president; otherwise the president resumes his powers and duties.[SUP][note 1][/SUP]

Section 4's requirements for the vice president to remain acting president indefinitely – a declaration by the vice president together with a majority of the principal officers or other body, then (if the president makes a counter-declaration) a two-thirds vote of the House and a two-thirds vote of the Senate – contrasts with the Constitution's procedure for removal of the president from office for "high crimes and misdemeanors" – a majority of the House (Article I, Section 2, Clause 5) followed by two-thirds of the Senate (Article I, Section 3, Clause 6).[SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14]
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If Pence is going to sign off on this (as it would seem he would have to) they have to be at least somewhat willing to see it through. I doubt they are just going to give Trump 4 days to roam around the WH with his phone...

Now there is NO WAY Congress would vote to take away powers but he would essentially be powerless til the end of October if it went to Congress. By the time the Election hit he would be completely screwed.
 
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