POTUS 45.61: All Are Welcome to Watch This Circus

[ScoobyDoo]

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Jim Jordan accused Schiff of knowing who the whistleblower is. Schiff, in the affirmative, said he does not know who the whistleblower is.

Anyone have any updates on the Republicans (Barr's) investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation? Is this Benghazi two? And now, the same theme is progressing on the whistleblower. Whose testimony at this point should be irrelevant cause it all has been corroborated by other witnesses.

And, yes, Rover. I am clearly the problem. Always have been, and I always will be. I should be eliminated.

 

[Kepler]

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For all of your correct talk about hanging together or we'll hang separately, you sure are quick to embrace anybody within the family who goes out of their way to stoke intra-party divisions.

First, I don't see mockery as the way out. You're smart, you can find the point of disagreement and laser focus on it. When we make things personal we make people (rightfully) defensive and angry and that hurts the ball club.

I do not agree with Scooby's sky is falling viewpoint and never have. He seems to see it as keeping up a high state of alert so we don't become complacent. I see it as risking defeatism, which as you said plays right into the bully's hands.

There is a difference between saying "that's a dumb idea" and "you're dumb." God knows I violate the distinction all the time when I'm angry, as you've gotten my goat enough times to know. But, you know, the world's at stake. We are fighting actual Nazis. We have to win. So let's try to treat each other with more respect even when we disagree. We can all stab each other in the face after Inauguration Day.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Here's another lie that Republicans have been pulling for weeks now to feed their narrative. They've been bragging about how Trump has given the military aid to Ukraine that Obama didn't. Which is a complete fabricated lie without context.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Devin Nunes and others have said Barack Obama put a permanent stop on military aid to Ukraine.<br><br>Obama did not permanently stop military aid to Ukraine.<br> <a href="https://t.co/q7to9QEuAi">https://t.co/q7to9QEuAi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/impeachmenthearings?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#impeachmenthearings</a></p>— PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href="https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1194639427127001088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Rover]

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First, I don't see mockery as the way out. You're smart, you can find the point of disagreement and laser focus on it. When we make things personal we make people (rightfully) defensive and angry and that hurts the ball club.

I do not agree with Scooby's sky is falling viewpoint and never have. He seems to see it as keeping up a high state of alert so we don't become complacent. I see it as risking defeatism, which as you said plays right into the bully's hands.

There is a difference between saying "that's a dumb idea" and "you're dumb." God knows I violate the distinction all the time when I'm angry, as you've gotten my goat enough times to know. But, you know, the world's at stake. We are fighting actual Nazis. We have to win. So let's try to treat each other with more respect even when we disagree. We can all stab each other in the face after Inauguration Day.

Sure Kep I agree. I'll try to do a better job of pointing out dangerous statements without calling fellow Dems stupid. However, Scoobyism must be opposed (non stop defeatism) whenever it crops up. Defeatism + absolutism is the toxic combination that may hold us back from sending the Nazi's to a much deserved a ss kicking next year.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Sure Kep I agree. I'll try to do a better job of pointing out dangerous statements without calling fellow Dems stupid. However, Scoobyism must be opposed (non stop defeatism) whenever it crops up. Defeatism + absolutism is the toxic combination that may hold us back from sending the Nazi's to a much deserved a ss kicking next year.

It's not defeatism to point out the double standard that has existed since 1980. Nor is it defeatism to point out that the Supreme Court is lost for the next 50 years. Nor is it defeatism to point out that trickle down economic theory is still the prevailing economic engine of the United States of America.

Again. Comey firing would have ended a Democratic Presidency. Orange Clown show has survived at least 100 Comey firings since he was elected and he still has more loyalty and more protection from his party than any Democratic President has ever had while in office.

 

[rufus]

You realistically only get to impeach Chump once. Who cares if its over the Mueller report or Ukraine (which seem to be related)? A successful impeachment needs public support, which needs an easy to understand crime. Mueller for whatever his reasons wasn't tying Chump directly to Russia. Dems in Congress have already established that Chump is withholding legally appropriated aid to an ally fighting off an enemy until he extorted a baseless political investigation from them.

There's also the news that Mulvaney held up the delivery of Javelin missiles to Ukraine earlier in the administration because "it would upset Russia"

Pelosi was right, with Dimwit Donnie, all roads lead to Russia.

 

[rufus]

I just can't do it. I'll read about it in the NYT tomorrow.

Read the Post instead. The NYT is a worthless rag these days.

 

[Kepler]

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Read the Post instead. The NYT is a worthless rag these days.

I actually get WaPo for some reason (Dr. Mrs. checked the "print" box for some reason) so I can read it over breakfast. Charming.

 

[rufus]

It's not defeatism to point out the double standard that has existed since 1980. Nor is it defeatism to point out that the Supreme Court is lost for the next 50 years. Nor is it defeatism to point out that trickle down economic theory is still the prevailing economic engine of the United States of America.

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It is when we all know it. Continuing to harp on it over and over again does no good except to make people tired of hearing you. And therefore, just ignore your future harping. And this, whatever point you're trying to make gets lost in the ether.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It is when we all know it. Continuing to harp on it over and over again does no good except to make people tired of hearing you. And therefore, just ignore your future harping. And this, whatever point you're trying to make gets lost in the ether.

And this is exactly why Democrats fail at messaging. Republicans never shut up and never stop repeating things over and over and over again.

 

[bronconick]

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And this is exactly why Democrats fail at messaging. Republicans never shut up and never stop repeating things over and over and over again.

Republican voters like being "messaged at" every day. That's why they love AM radio crap and watch garbage every night on FNC. Democratic voters change the station. Copying the Republican messaging would fail. Air America showed that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Republican voters like being "messaged at" every day. That's why they love AM radio crap and watch garbage every night on FNC. Democratic voters change the station. Copying the Republican messaging would fail. Air America showed that.

Fair enough. I honestly do not understand what works with Democratic voters then.

 

[Kepler]

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Republican voters like being "messaged at" every day. That's why they love AM radio crap and watch garbage every night on FNC. Democratic voters change the station. Copying the Republican messaging would fail. Air America showed that.

It's funny to watch the GOPers here at work. They need Fox News on at all times. It's how they maintain their seawall against reality. You can actually watch them become jittery and upset if it's not soothing them. They basically live in a perpetual misinformational alcoholic stupor.

 

[Rover]

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It's not defeatism to point out the double standard that has existed since 1980. Nor is it defeatism to point out that the Supreme Court is lost for the next 50 years. .

Okay Kep, I'm going to be nice here.

Scooby, how can the Supreme Court be "lost for the next 50 years" when not one of the current members will even be alive 50 years from now? That is mindless defeatism with no basis in reality (and notice I didn't insult you here).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Okay Kep, I'm going to be nice here.

Scooby, how can the Supreme Court be "lost for the next 50 years" when not one of the current members will even be alive 50 years from now? That is mindless defeatism with no basis in reality (and notice I didn't insult you here).

It's 50 for me cause I'll be dead long before it's 5-4 liberal.

 

[MissThundercat]

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It's 50 for me cause I'll be dead long before it's 5-4 liberal.

And at age 38, maybe it'll be 5-4 liberal by the time I'm 80.

 

[Kepler]

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Okay Kep, I'm going to be nice here.

Scooby, how can the Supreme Court be "lost for the next 50 years" when not one of the current members will even be alive 50 years from now? That is mindless defeatism with no basis in reality (and notice I didn't insult you here).

Very good.

SCOTUS isn't "lost" for more than at most ten more years as long as we win elections from here on out.

86 L Ginsburg*
81 L Breyer
71 C Thomas
69 C Alito
65 L Sotomayor*
64 C Roberts
59 L Kagan*
54 C Drunky McRapist
52 C Gorsuch

* Chicks live longer.

Obviously, we have to win the Presidency and Senate in 2020, and let RBG and Breyer retire. We should replace them with women in their 50s. Make them Asian women and get the double asterisk. I'd ask Soto to take one for the team, too. Replace her with a Latina in her 30s.

<img src="https://media.giphy.com/media/YXibb6c5Xsnt5JBDrc/giphy.gif">

Then it's either wait for Alito to have an aneurysm and Thomas to have an auto-erotic asphyxiation accident, add 4 justices to make up for Dump's stolen election, or add 2, impeach Drunky, and put the chick he tried to rape in that seat.

With a straight shot sweep of the White House and Cap Hill we can have the Court back in time for the 2021-22 term. Then it's just a matter of getting cert on cases to overturn McCutcheon and Citizens United, and cases to make racial gerrrymandering illegal, and it's over -- the Nazis won't win another national election until they stop being racist which means Scooby will die a very happy and fulfilled man.

 

[Rover]

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And at age 38, maybe it'll be 5-4 liberal by the time I'm 80.

Again, very few of them will be alive in 42 years. The youngest one (Gorsuch) will be 94 at that point. Have a little faith! Here's the plan:

1) Elect Dem Prez plus 50 Dem Senators next year.

2) Replace RBG (86) and Breyer (81).

3) Next oldest justices are Thomas (71) and Alito (69). So barring something unexpected you have a 10-12 year wait, not 42.

EDIT: Whoops, Kep beat me to it!

 

[Kepler]

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Fair enough. I honestly do not understand what works with Democratic voters then.

Facts.

 

[Handyman]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">fox's graphic for bill taylor vs. msnbc's graphic<br><br>you already know how this is gonna play out <a href="https://t.co/Xv28fiaMJY">pic.twitter.com/Xv28fiaMJY</a></p>— Danielle Misiak (@DanielleMisiak) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanielleMisiak/status/1194647932827508737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>