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POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

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From what I understand, transplants to CA are allowed to bring in one car, with a fee. Not sure what the maintenance requirements are- as I know CA has some pretty tight requirements. But most people who move to CA are doing it for a job, anyway, so you will have money. A car would be the least of your worries.

Being a car guy, it's funny how people think CA is the worst state ever- including fellow car people. But it's also one of the most vibrant car cultures in the world. Roadkill is from there, as are most of the hot rod and racing magazines.

I agree that some states probably have some lax rules on the actual road-worthiness of vehicles, so I don't think CA is the worst at all. If a vehicle is tip-top shape, hey, let it slide. But grandfather them into the new rules (I am sure there are some exceptions already, just don't know exactly what they are). :)
 
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I agree that some states probably have some lax rules on the actual road-worthiness of vehicles, so I don't think CA is the worst at all. If a vehicle is tip-top shape, hey, let it slide. But grandfather them into the new rules (I am sure there are some exceptions already, just don't know exactly what they are). :)

That was kind of my point regarding CA denying registration... All current vehicles meet the specs. Going forward, CA can say "This is our law: If your vehicle doesn't meet it, too bad"

CA's economy is big enough to where if car companies actively choose to not be present there, it'll result in a net loss. Given that we can probably go 15-20 years on current "legal" cars, it would be a massive hit to the car companies that choose to avoid the state.
 
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I found this to be interesting:
California considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase or trade by a California resident or business, to be a new vehicle. This is true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state.
 
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I found this to be interesting:
California considers any vehicle with less than 7,500 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase or trade by a California resident or business, to be a new vehicle. This is true whether or not the vehicle has been registered in another state.

California had an epidemic of people with high-dollar sports cars/exotics that don't get driven a lot registering them in lower tax states (usually Montana) - this works around that.
 
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California had an epidemic of people with high-dollar sports cars/exotics that don't get driven a lot registering them in lower tax states (usually Montana) - this works around that.

So, in essence, there are so many loopholes to these new laws...(I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point).
 
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So, in essence, there are so many loopholes to these new laws...(I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point).

People still murder. So repeal those Utopian laws against murder.
 
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So, in essence, there are so many loopholes to these new laws...(I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point).

Not as many as you would like to think. The goal is to actually improve the air quality in the state, in spite of people like you trying to find a way around the rules. The more people "cheat", the more draconian the rules become. That's how every law works.

But that has nothing to do with the recent issue with GM, Toyota, and co. None of the OEMs argue that California should not have the ability to create their own standards for things that quickly harm human health or the environment. The question is whether the fact that NHTSA made fuel economy standards in the 70s, which were actually CO2 standards based on how it's measured, means that the Federal Government has the overall responsibility to regulate CO2 when California didn't address CO2 until into the 2000's.

California's air quality rules pre-date the Feds by about a year, which is why they get special treatment. And states are allowed to choose between California or Fed rules- and I think there are 9 "Green States" at the moment.

The over riding goal is to have one standard for everything. And it would be nice if it applied to fuels, too- have ONE fuel standard in the whole country- make our lives a lot better (and cheaper).

To the draconian comment- thanks to VW, the EU has responded with on road vehicle testing for certification, and I'm pretty sure that California will at least go that direction before lowering the standards more. And that's a lot harder than doing it in a lab. But since VW got creative in their cheating- they have made it harder for all of the OEM's. I'm still pretty mad at VW for that, and will never, ever, ever buy a VAG product. Including a P car.
 
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Not as many as you would like to think. The goal is to actually improve the air quality in the state, in spite of people like you trying to find a way around the rules. The more people "cheat", the more draconian the rules become. That's how every law works.

But that has nothing to do with the recent issue with GM, Toyota, and co. None of the OEMs argue that California should not have the ability to create their own standards for things that quickly harm human health or the environment. The question is whether the fact that NHTSA made fuel economy standards in the 70s, which were actually CO2 standards based on how it's measured, means that the Federal Government has the overall responsibility to regulate CO2 when California didn't address CO2 until into the 2000's.

California's air quality rules pre-date the Feds by about a year, which is why they get special treatment. And states are allowed to choose between California or Fed rules- and I think there are 9 "Green States" at the moment.

The over riding goal is to have one standard for everything. And it would be nice if it applied to fuels, too- have ONE fuel standard in the whole country- make our lives a lot better (and cheaper).

To the draconian comment- thanks to VW, the EU has responded with on road vehicle testing for certification, and I'm pretty sure that California will at least go that direction before lowering the standards more. And that's a lot harder than doing it in a lab. But since VW got creative in their cheating- they have made it harder for all of the OEM's. I'm still pretty mad at VW for that, and will never, ever, ever buy a VAG product. Including a P car.

Whoa whoa whoa. That bolded part is uncalled for. I am not against the rules at all, this all started about me wondering on the differing state laws/federal laws regarding vehicles (and besides, I wouldn't move to CA anyway ;) )
 
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Whoa whoa whoa. That bolded part is uncalled for. I am not against the rules at all, this all started about me wondering on the differing state laws/federal laws regarding vehicles (and besides, I wouldn't move to CA anyway ;) )

Based on the subjects we've discussed over the past very many years, I disagree. But you can think how you want. In the end, it's always the cheaters that ruin it for the rest of us.

And right now, cheater #1 is the moron in the White House.
 
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Trump wouldn't tell Nancy cause it would leak, but he also wouldn't tell his own Chief Of Staff.

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney first learned about the U.S. military raid against ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi after the operation was already underway, according to five current and former senior administration officials.

Mulvaney was at home in South Carolina when President Donald Trump wrote on Twitter Saturday night that “Something very big has just happened!” He was briefed on the raid that night, officials said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/mulvaney-was-left-dark-al-baghdadi-operation-n1073731
 
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Oh man...that should win awards :eek:
 
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Race didnt play into it but he made Obama 4 shades Blacker than he actually is? I buy the spine part of it but only because he probably used his own spine to do it. If you are gonna be a racist twat just own it I will respect you more. He is such an impotent loser he had to take out the racism and play the PC card.
 
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What a surprise. All Republicans have been doing is beeching about the "secret impeachment process", and now that Dems have laid out the rules for open hearings, they're still beeching about them.
 
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