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POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

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Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

rufus said:
Dems got reamed by not fighting back against the Repub attack machine.
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True enough but if 9/11 doesn't happen W is most likely a one term President. He didn't exactly have a blow out re-election and he was running against a potted plant in Kerry.
 
Rover said:
You guys are too interested in instant gratification instead of playing the long game. Despite total control of govt for 2 years, the GOP passed exactly one thing - gimmicky tax cuts, which they ALWAYS pass when they're in charge.

Our job is not to whine, as the American people like their leaders to be winners, not victims. Our job is to win control of govt in 2020 which is within our power to do so (unpopular Prez, favorable Senate map, already hold House) and then push govt further left than where Obama left off (as in even higher tax rates on the wealthy, further environmental standards, expanded healthcare). Exactly what form those goals take is TBD, but this is a marathon not a 100 meter dash.
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What I'm interested in is holding criminals responsible for criminal actions.
 
Rover said:
True enough but if 9/11 doesn't happen W is most likely a one term President. He didn't exactly have a blow out re-election and he was running against a potted plant in Kerry.
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Again, why Dems got reamed. Kerry was indeed a stiff, but he also cowered in the face of the right wing attack machine.
 
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First Time said:
What I'm interested in is holding criminals responsible for criminal actions.
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Great! Then vote out Chump in 2020 and let new Dem administration pursue criminal charges against anybody in his administration, including himself, who has rubles in their bank account.
 
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First Time said:
What I'm interested in is holding criminals responsible for criminal actions.
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To do that we have to restore the rule of law and to do that we need to throw out every Republican office holder we can. Exactly none of them prioritize country or law over party and personal enrichment.

Vote them out, back them into a corner, and if/when they use violence 1865 the f-ck out of them. And this time don't stop Reconstruction until their Naziism is fumigated.

While we're at it we might want to combine a bunch of their states to restore sanity to the Senate as well. There are about 20 small red states which should actually be combined into say 5.

35 states would also give us room to grow again and eat Canada, too! Nom nom nom.
 
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Rover said:
Great! Then vote out Chump in 2020 and let new Dem administration pursue criminal charges against anybody in his administration, including himself, who has rubles in their bank account.
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I plan to. But impeachment...even without a conviction should be a part of the plan also. Otherwise Dems are saying the president can do whatever he wants while in office.
 
Rover said:
Great! Then vote out Chump in 2020 and let new Dem administration pursue criminal charges against anybody in his administration, including himself, who has rubles in their bank account.
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Or just do what Dems have always done, call the past the past, and don't do a damm thing.

Cause you know, people might not like them if they do something.

Think Obama and the financial crisis.
 
Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

rufus said:
Again, why Dems got reamed. Kerry was indeed a stiff, but he cowered in the face of the right wing attack machine.
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I agree. Dems did a great job exposing GOP frauds during impeachment crap, then went soft as party "leaders" like Daschle and Gephardt took over. Then they turned to Howard Dean who took a flamethrower to GOP and led in part to success of 2006 and 2008. Then Obama made critical decision to turf Dean in favor of idiots like Rahm Emmanuel who has basically failed at every job he's ever had. Now lets get back to putting nutcutters in positions of leadership. To that end I'm happy with Pelosi's performance thus far. Not as thrilled with Schumer although in fairness he isn't the leader of his chamber like Pelosi is. I think Lizzy Warren would take it to the GOP personally, as would Harris. Not sure about the others...
 
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rufus said:
So you don't hold people accountable for their criminality because "the people" don't want it?

If the roles were reversed, and Trump was Obama, the Repubs in the House would have started impeachment proceedings the minute the Flynn news broke.

But the Democrats, so spineless. "Let's think about the implications. What are the consequences of impeaching? Will more people like us? Or will they say bad things about me? Better mull on this for a while"
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I dont know ask Scooby. I was just saying what his point was. I stopped trying to figure out what was in head YEARS ago ;) :p
 
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Kepler said:
If only. Instead they are just screeching, "no, you're naked!" Which both makes no sense and is imbecilic, but that's who we're dealing with now.
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He literally did that in the debates when Hillary called him Putin's Puppet. (IM NOT A PUPPET YOU ARE A PUPPET!)
 
Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Handyman said:
I dont know ask Scooby. I was just saying what his point was. I stopped trying to figure out what was in head YEARS ago ;) :p
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Scooby wasn't the moron who set the DOJ policy that prevented the Orange ****tard from being indicted on Obstruction of Justice. First thing Democrats need to do is get that policy changed. As for impeachment, that's entirely political and the Republicans are just so much better at politics.
 
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Rover said:
I agree. Dems did a great job exposing GOP frauds during impeachment crap, then went soft as party "leaders" like Daschle and Gephardt took over. Then they turned to Howard Dean who took a flamethrower to GOP and led in part to success of 2006 and 2008. Then Obama made critical decision to turf Dean in favor of idiots like Rahm Emmanuel who has basically failed at every job he's ever had. Now lets get back to putting nutcutters in positions of leadership. To that end I'm happy with Pelosi's performance thus far. Not as thrilled with Schumer although in fairness he isn't the leader of his chamber like Pelosi is. I think Lizzy Warren would take it to the GOP personally, as would Harris. Not sure about the others...
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This is all true. We have never had our Trent Lott or Tom DeLay. It's about time we gave the GOP a piece of what they've been dishing out with no repercussions for the last 40 years. Bob Gibson allowed you to throw at his teammates exactly never.
 
Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Rover said:
By rights they should have lost the 2000 election (lost popular vote, idiotic ballot design in FL caused Gore voters to vote for Buchanan, etc). Dems also gained 5 Senate seats in 2000 to make it a 50/50 split until Jeffords bailed.

Dems got reamed by 9/11. To not include that in the analysis of elections from 2002-2004 is like leaving the Iraq War out of the equation for 2006-2008.
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Doesn't change the fact that it didn't do a **** thing to republicans in the immediate aftermath. 2000 should have been a changing point if you were correct. It wasn't. It was a wash at best, but losing the White House did happen regardless of how it did. It should have been a bloodbath if you were right. The fact that it came down to hanging chads means the Dems didn't convince enough people.

Impeachment didn't hurt the GOP. There's just no data to support that.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Scooby wasn't the moron who set the DOJ policy that prevented the Orange ****tard from being indicted on Obstruction of Justice. First thing Democrats need to do is get that policy changed. As for impeachment, that's entirely political and the Republicans are just so much better at politics.
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Cause Democrats don't "do" politics. They just think making logical arguments as to why they're right is enough.
 
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rufus said:
Cause Democrats don't "do" politics. They just think making logical arguments as to why they're right is enough.
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Democrats are A students from grad school. Republicans are C students from business. Guess who connects with the average voter better?
 
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Kepler said:
Democrats are A students from grad school. Republicans are C students from business. Guess who connects with the average voter better?
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Ds are too often the ones who complain in the dressing room between periods how dirty the other team is in the corners. Shut up and fight back.
 
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burd said:
Ds are too often the ones who complain in the dressing room between periods how dirty the other team is in the corners. Shut up and fight back.
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Bingo. If the ref isn't calling anything you have two choices, and the first one is to get beaten up and beaten.
 
Re: POTUS 45:55: Wow, @CNN RATINGS HAVE CRASHED. LOST ALL CREDIBILITY!

Jeezuz Rover you're cracked on this topic I can't even....
 
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