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POTUS 45:53: I Didn't Appoint That Judge So It Doesn't Matter.

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Rover said:
your victim mentality
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything, Rover. You have obviously made up your mind. I'm talking to the other people on the forum who are interested in the honest exchange of ideas. There are plenty of people here who can represent centrism without resorting to your tactics. You are no longer a useful opponent. Clashing with you doesn't sharpen wits, it dulls them.
 
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aparch said:
If AOC is living rent free in your head, that speaks volumes. She's two full presidential cycles from being in any presidential talk. Any mention of her in 2020 or 2024 is FOX News -esque levels of spin.
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It would take a lot of spin to get her by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution and make her President in 2020.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, not really. You don't have to pass anything anymore. Just declare a national emergency. Write an executive order. The door is open.
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Sure, Scoobs, then the next Prez comes in and reverses it. Executive orders are all well and good but laws are a lot more permanent. Chump for all of his psychosis hasn't been able to execute order away the Medicaid expansion for example hence the failed attempt at repeal.

It seems to me some arch liberals don't want to do the hard work of building a broad coalition. Instead they're hoping Saint Bernie becomes Prez, waves his shepherd's staff and implements single payer as the law of the land. It doesn't work like that. Progressives need to be in the trenches and not only win safe seats like AOC's but start taking swing districts as well and get entrenched in there. That takes time but the democratic socialist utopia won't happen until it does.

Or we could just crank up the Perpetual Disappointment Machine and run with that. ;)
 
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Kepler said:
I'm not trying to convince you of anything, Rover. You have obviously made up your mind. I'm talking to the other people on the forum who are interested in the honest exchange of ideas. There are plenty of people here who can represent centrism without resorting to your tactics. You are no longer a useful opponent. Clashing with you doesn't sharpen wits, it dulls them.
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An effective dodge when you can't answer the question posed! Well done, sir. :D
 
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I think we all know that there are many obstacles including congress and the Supreme Court. The point is that starting to the left rather than the center is far better. Especially when we're talking about the potential end of the world due to climate change and Joe Biden has some fossil fuel exec as his climate adviser.
 
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trixR4kids said:
I think we all know that there are many obstacles including congress and the Supreme Court. The point is that starting to the left rather than the center is far better.
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Sure, but I think whether the Prez is Bernie or Uncle Joe is somewhat irrelevant to the cause (as long as its not Chump again). Progressives have an opportunity to run for both the Georgia and Texas Senate seats and form a new electoral coalition to win in both of those states (as opposed to say Mississippi). There's very little in the form of an Establishment state party in either of those places as Dems just started winning some elections here for the first time in decades. THAT'S where you can start turning some heads. Capture some of those reddish-purple areas and it makes it a lot easier for the rest of Congress to cast some of these votes that you'd like to see.
 
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It's relevant in that we need a president who's willing to at least push for good policies like a green new deal, M4A, and other progressive policies, even if they might not happen immediately and put pressure on those who are impediments to progress. Joe Biden is not going to do the latter, that much is obvious.
 
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trixR4kids said:
It's relevant in that we need a president who's willing to at least push for good policies like a green new deal, M4A, and other progressive policies, even if they might not happen immediately and put pressure on those who are impediments to progress. Joe Biden is not going to do the latter, that much is obvious.
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Play the long game trix. Win those swing seats I wrote about with the green new deal, M4A, etc and you're home free. I don't see Biden or anybody else the Dems would realistically elect vetoing progressive legislation from their own party.
 
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Rover said:
Play the long game trix. Win those swing seats I wrote about with the green new deal, M4A, etc and you're home free. I don't see Biden or anybody else the Dems would realistically elect vetoing progressive legislation from their own party.
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It's too late to play the long game. Should've thought of that 40 years ago when the Republicans were pouring the concrete.
 
Rover said:
Lastly, the grim reality facing President Bernie Sanders, or President AOC, is that they have to get their legislation through Congress. If the Dems do obtain a Senate majority next year along with the White House, it will rest upon people like Joe Manchin and Jon Tester (and perhaps Doug Jones if conservaperv Roy Moore runs again).
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How'd Obama do, getting his legislation through Congress? How'd Hillary? Oh yeah, right.

How's that Democratic majority House doing getting its legislation even up for a vote in the Senate?
 
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Rover said:
Play the long game trix. Win those swing seats I wrote about with the green new deal, M4A, etc and you're home free. I don't see Biden or anybody else the Dems would realistically elect vetoing progressive legislation from their own party.
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Correct, if the Congressional Dems pass it a Dem President will sign it.

Now Uncle Handsy might not push for massively Left bills to go through, but that too makes sense. The truth is most politicians, Even Saint Bernie of Vermont, wont risk their political capital on something if it wont pass. When Presidents push for legislation and it fails it is embarrassing, doubly embarrassing when it is your party in control. Trump hasnt lived down the failed Health Care repeal and it cost him the House. He is so bitter about it still that he continually spits on John McCain who cast the deciding vote. (and he flipping died of cancer)

Rover is basically saying go back to the Howard Dean plan...it isnt just about winning the Presidency if you arent going to be able to pass anything when there. (see: Obama's Second Term) The Dems need to start winning down ballot. They need more State Legislatures and Governorships. They need to flip more districts. The more power they have locally the better it is nationally.

But that goes hand in hand with nominating someone who will bring people to the polls. Whoever survives the Clown Show needs to get people to the polls in mass numbers.
 
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Handyman said:
But that goes hand in hand with nominating someone who will bring people to the polls.
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And that means nominating someone with convictions and courage. Mealy-mouthed centrism does not excite people or bring them out. Politics is about charisma and motivation. You would think that escaping from fascism would be sufficient motivation in itself, but apparently not.

I don't just want Left candidates for Left policy (though that's certainly part of it). I want Left candidates because they bring more people out to the polls. Our ideas are electoral winners. We simply have to have confidence. The way we are kept from having good policy in this country is not primarily by being beaten at the polls but by self-limiting out of fear. That is one of the ways the system works to protect its beneficiaries.
 
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rufus said:
How'd Obama do, getting his legislation through Congress? How'd Hillary? Oh yeah, right.

How's that Democratic majority House doing getting its legislation even up for a vote in the Senate?
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Ummm.....he passed healthcare legislation for an extra 30M people and tax hikes on the rich?

Your second sentence is kinda the point. If you want progressive legislation enacted, do the hard work to get progressives elected in congressional swing districts and states. Don't just expect a president to hand out an edict to make it happen.
 
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Kepler said:
And that means nominating someone with convictions and courage. Mealy-mouthed centrism does not excite people or bring them out. Politics is about charisma and motivation. You would think that escaping from fascism would be sufficient motivation in itself, but apparently not.

I don't just want Left candidates for Left policy (though that's certainly part of it). I want Left candidates because they bring more people out to the polls. Our ideas are electoral winners. We simply have to have confidence. The way we are kept from having good policy in this country is not primarily by being beaten at the polls but by self-limiting out of fear. That is one of the ways the system works to protect its beneficiaries.
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Great, now name me the last Kep approved progressive to win a Presidential election again? Seems the ConservaDems (aka anybody to the right of Sanders) have had a better run over the past 25 years in terms of, you know, actually winning.
 
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Rover said:
Great, now name me the last Kep approved progressive to win a Presidential election again? Seems the ConservaDems (aka anybody to the right of Sanders) have had a better run over the past 25 years in terms of, you know, actually winning.
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ConservaDems also lose Presidential Elections in spectacular fashion. But, hey, let's just look at the victories.
 
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This is part of the long game, your chances of getting more progressives in congress via one in the white house increases drastically.
 
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