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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
I got a simple answer to that. Take the 23 trillion back.
I got a simple answer to that. Take the 23 trillion back.
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POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
For if you hide the crown
Even in your hearts, there will he rake for it
For if you hide the crown
Even in your hearts, there will he rake for it
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
most strawberries are grown along the coast in Monterey and Ventura County, but you are right that area is not irrigated by Colorado river water. Strawberries were a bad example. But it is a fact that if you eat lettuce in the winter, you're likely eating something that was grown in the desert with Colorado River water. Southern California is allocated 4.40 million acre feed of Colorado river water, the largest share of any state and it is used mostly for irrigation. The allocations were based on an unrealistic flow rate too, and now the Colorado River runs dry before it reaches the ocean. It's a $4B industry growing things like lettuce, alfalfa, and cotton somewhere where farming on that scale makes little sense.
It's unlikely you get them from Florida year round. It's seasonal. Florida produces most of their strawberries in winter. California produces them nearly year round and has 4x the acreage. 90% of U.S. strawberries are grown in California.
depending on time of year, its not uncommon to see them from California (most common), Florida, or Mexico
and frankly, if you are not concerned about the global population and it's affect on our planet, you are definitely stupid or in denial
most strawberries are grown along the coast in Monterey and Ventura County, but you are right that area is not irrigated by Colorado river water. Strawberries were a bad example. But it is a fact that if you eat lettuce in the winter, you're likely eating something that was grown in the desert with Colorado River water. Southern California is allocated 4.40 million acre feed of Colorado river water, the largest share of any state and it is used mostly for irrigation. The allocations were based on an unrealistic flow rate too, and now the Colorado River runs dry before it reaches the ocean. It's a $4B industry growing things like lettuce, alfalfa, and cotton somewhere where farming on that scale makes little sense.
It's unlikely you get them from Florida year round. It's seasonal. Florida produces most of their strawberries in winter. California produces them nearly year round and has 4x the acreage. 90% of U.S. strawberries are grown in California.
depending on time of year, its not uncommon to see them from California (most common), Florida, or Mexico
you might be stupid if you think all the strawberries consumed in Michigan come from Florida
and frankly, if you are not concerned about the global population and it's affect on our planet, you are definitely stupid or in denial
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
I do not have the finances or the resources to do what I'd like to do. So, no. I will go to my grave knowing that I left the planet in worse shape for my kids and that there was nothing I could really do about it.
I do not have the finances or the resources to do what I'd like to do. So, no. I will go to my grave knowing that I left the planet in worse shape for my kids and that there was nothing I could really do about it.
Kepler
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
So you've got that going for you. Which is nice.
So you've got that going for you. Which is nice.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
They know it too. They also know that my generation was handcuffed by the boomers. It's the only solace I have.
They know it too. They also know that my generation was handcuffed by the boomers. It's the only solace I have.
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
What does that have to do with immigration?
And the counter to that is to watch Biggest Little Farm. Where a whole ecosystem is restarted based on farming techniques- water, insects, animals, etc.
What does that have to do with immigration?
And the counter to that is to watch Biggest Little Farm. Where a whole ecosystem is restarted based on farming techniques- water, insects, animals, etc.
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
I think his point is we are ****ing up the environment with our agricultural practices
with a lower global population, we could sustain ourselves with lower yield more environmentally sustainable farming practices
I think his point is we are ****ing up the environment with our agricultural practices
with a lower global population, we could sustain ourselves with lower yield more environmentally sustainable farming practices
To be fair to Alfa it was a very complicated point.
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
Re- Lettuce- again, look it up. MOST of the acreage that grows lettuce in California is fed by northern water. Some is desert growing, I don't dispute that. But most of it is in the central valley. Just like most of California ag is.
As for the stupid part- I think it's stupid that Maine gets strawberries from California when Michigan gets non-seasonal strawberries from Florida. Seasonal berries are from in state.
And for global population- I'm concerned, but I'm also seeing the data that 1) areas that have improved economies are declining in births - the EU is really bad on this, but right now, the US birth rate would have us at a declining population. And as economies improve, there's also a decline in birth rate; 2) China is staring a HUGE population problem right down the barrel- and not growth, but HUGE decline. ~50 years of "one child" has had a huge effect- on birth rate (as intended) but also on male-female. If you go an look at the future population in China, it's heavily biased toward the male number- which has HUGE implications if each one of those males can not find a mate. Will other countries step in and send females to China? Dunno.
The data pretty much shows that there will be a peak in world population, and it may happen in my lifetime.
Re- Lettuce- again, look it up. MOST of the acreage that grows lettuce in California is fed by northern water. Some is desert growing, I don't dispute that. But most of it is in the central valley. Just like most of California ag is.
As for the stupid part- I think it's stupid that Maine gets strawberries from California when Michigan gets non-seasonal strawberries from Florida. Seasonal berries are from in state.
And for global population- I'm concerned, but I'm also seeing the data that 1) areas that have improved economies are declining in births - the EU is really bad on this, but right now, the US birth rate would have us at a declining population. And as economies improve, there's also a decline in birth rate; 2) China is staring a HUGE population problem right down the barrel- and not growth, but HUGE decline. ~50 years of "one child" has had a huge effect- on birth rate (as intended) but also on male-female. If you go an look at the future population in China, it's heavily biased toward the male number- which has HUGE implications if each one of those males can not find a mate. Will other countries step in and send females to China? Dunno.
The data pretty much shows that there will be a peak in world population, and it may happen in my lifetime.
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
No ****. Our environment also suffers because we want to build stuff, pull stuff out of the ground, etc- all to make a buck. I'm sure if you go look it up, the need to make a buck has harmed the environment a lot more than population has.
That's not a reason to put a limit on immigration. The system we have in the US, faults and all, is capable of feeding a lot more than our population- it's why one of our leading export items is food. So adding +40M people is more than possible with current farming practices. If we somehow manage to fix that, we can feed even more.
No ****. Our environment also suffers because we want to build stuff, pull stuff out of the ground, etc- all to make a buck. I'm sure if you go look it up, the need to make a buck has harmed the environment a lot more than population has.
That's not a reason to put a limit on immigration. The system we have in the US, faults and all, is capable of feeding a lot more than our population- it's why one of our leading export items is food. So adding +40M people is more than possible with current farming practices. If we somehow manage to fix that, we can feed even more.
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
Maine has a native strawberry season, but its a few weeks long. I'm positive Michigan gets a fair amount of non-seasonal strawberries from California.
Maine has a native strawberry season, but its a few weeks long. I'm positive Michigan gets a fair amount of non-seasonal strawberries from California.
Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
larger population = more people consuming stuff = more resource extraction and pollution. I'm not sure why you're so adamant that human population growth does not have a negative impact on the environment.
I NEVER said we need to put a limit on immigration. In fact, I've been supportive of a pretty open immigration policy. What I have said is that an economic model that requires constant population growth is unsustainable.
larger population = more people consuming stuff = more resource extraction and pollution. I'm not sure why you're so adamant that human population growth does not have a negative impact on the environment.
I NEVER said we need to put a limit on immigration. In fact, I've been supportive of a pretty open immigration policy. What I have said is that an economic model that requires constant population growth is unsustainable.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No president ever worked harder than me (cleaning up the mess I inherited)!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094940049697849345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This was tweeted about 2 minutes after Joe on Morning Joe called him the laziest President that ever was. So, Trump was watching Morning Joe this morning.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No president ever worked harder than me (cleaning up the mess I inherited)!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094940049697849345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This was tweeted about 2 minutes after Joe on Morning Joe called him the laziest President that ever was. So, Trump was watching Morning Joe this morning.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Democrats are so self righteous and ANGRY! Loosen up and have some fun. The Country is doing well!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094964052558823424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Democrats are so self righteous and ANGRY! Loosen up and have some fun. The Country is doing well!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094964052558823424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
winter lettuce mostly comes from the desert. Most winter lettuce in California is grown in Imperial County. The rest of the year Monterey county is the largest producer. If you're eating lettuce in winter, you're contributing to the fact that the Colorado River no longer flows into the ocean, since that lettuce you're eating is likely from California or Arizona and is like 95% Colorado River by weight.
winter lettuce mostly comes from the desert. Most winter lettuce in California is grown in Imperial County. The rest of the year Monterey county is the largest producer. If you're eating lettuce in winter, you're contributing to the fact that the Colorado River no longer flows into the ocean, since that lettuce you're eating is likely from California or Arizona and is like 95% Colorado River by weight.
that's a good thing
rufus
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
Someone's awful defensive about his work schedule being released to the world. Or should I say, his lack of work schedule.
Someone's awful defensive about his work schedule being released to the world. Or should I say, his lack of work schedule.
French Rage
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Re: POTUS 45:48: There's Always Barber College
You would think the guy who cancelled a WWI cemetery visit because of rain would not draw attention to other people being able to stand up to precipitation.
You would think the guy who cancelled a WWI cemetery visit because of rain would not draw attention to other people being able to stand up to precipitation.
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