What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
In other words, as long as Trump is in office, civility is dead.
Click to expand...

Understandable. I would ask two things 1) place blame where its deserved and keep it there (Trump, the GOP party, the full time MAGA supporters and the NRA etc.) 2) forgive moderates who switched to Trump and are now voting against the GOP (we ultimately want control and they are necessary for that)

The Rube said:
Very possible. I think if Bernie or Warren to run...that could be trouble, though.
Click to expand...

The Dems danger is not realizing this simple fact.
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

No offense Rube but you post many times during the day. :) That said not seeing a post right away shouldn't be considered a big deal people get busy.

I also agree with you that I'd like to see more civil discourse from the Dems as long as the message is strong. You can hold no punches without cold-cokking someone. :)
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

btw I don't see why Beto losing to Cruz is a sign he couldn't beat Trump. This gives the question some credence.

It didn’t really make sense, in a traditional analysis, for a little-known House member from El Paso to run for Senate in Texas, and it certainly didn’t make sense for small donors to pour huge sums of money into a long-shot Senate campaign.

But pour the money they did, and while O’Rourke lost, the Texas Democratic Party made enough gains down the ballot that most of the people who pitched in seem to feel pretty good about themselves. And they feel good about Beto, a candidate who inspires an unusual degree of enthusiasm among the Democratic Party faithful.

The template would, obviously, be Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign, in which a young, good-looking, charismatic politician known for his compelling speeches and pretty blah normal Democratic Party ideology set aside questions about what he’d actually accomplished as a senator and set his sights on the White House. Except O’Rourke doesn’t even have modest senatorial achievements to inflate because he’s not a senator at all. Which makes the whole thing vaguely ridiculous.

Except, again, the fact that it doesn’t quite seem totally ridiculous tells us a lot about the state of politics as we enter the 2020 presidential cycle. It’s a moment when it seems like anything is possible, but where Democrats are frustrated by the simultaneous emergence of a huge field of potential candidates and the absence of a true political superstar.
Click to expand...

Beto-mania might be somewhat tempered by a more sober assessment of what actually happened in Texas.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton lost Texas by 9 points even while winning the national popular vote by 2. In other words, she ran about 11 points behind her national average in the Lone Star State.

Flash forward to 2018, and House Democrats won the national popular vote by 8 points while O’Rourke lost Texas by 3. In other words, he ran about 11 points behind the national average Democrat.

Both of these results were very different from 2012, when Obama lost Texas by 16 points while winning the national popular vote by 4. Texas went from being about 20 points more Republican than the country as a whole in the Obama era to 10 to 11 points in the Trump era. This happened as the suburbs of big Southern cities like Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta started to vote more like the suburbs of big Northern cities.

In 2016, that effect was largely limited to the presidential race. But by 2018, everything was Trumpified, and consequently Texas Democrats did relatively well all up and down the ballot.

O’Rourke lost by 3, but so did Justin Nelson in the Texas race for state attorney general. Democrats picked up a bunch of seats in the Texas state legislature, swept a bunch of judicial elections, and picked up a House seat in the Dallas suburbs and another in the Houston suburbs.

One could credit this to O’Rourke’s showing at the top of the ticket. But Democrats also won House seats in the suburbs of Atlanta and Oklahoma City (to say nothing of Chicago, Minneapolis, and Orange County). So while the Texas election results were certainly noteworthy — a lot of people live in Texas, after all — it’s far from clear that anything genuinely unusual happened there.

That said, O’Rourke clearly captured people’s imagination. Charisma is difficult to define but easy to see when it’s present. Virtually nobody knew who Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was until she won her New York primary against Democratic Rep. Joe Crowley, but she’s been a star ever since.
Click to expand...

Even if you don’t think O’Rourke is a political genius, you have to admit that as long as you ignore the fact that he’s a former House member who just lost a Senate race, it’s actually a pretty compelling proposition.

One big thing O’Rourke has going for him as a nominee is that he’s very ideologically generic. He didn’t tack to the center to try to win in Texas, and he has solid and normal Democrat position on basically every issue. At the same time, he’s not a self-identified “socialist” or anything too weird.

He’s a candidate that people who are proud to be Democrats — i.e., most Democratic Party primary voters — can be proud of. But he’s also not an “insider” or part of the “establishment.” He won his House seat thanks to a primary challenge to an entrenched incumbent, he was never in congressional leadership, his campaign eschewed corporate PAC money, and he has appealing normal-person interests like music and skateboarding.

Meanwhile, precisely because he lost his race, there’s nothing stopping him from getting on the next flight to Iowa, while Grisham and Whitmer have to do boring things like govern their states.

Can a former House member who’s known nationally for having lost a high-profile Senate race really be elected president? Almost certainly not. But it was good enough for Abraham Lincoln. So why not Beto O’Rourke?
Click to expand...
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

The Rube said:
Very possible. I think if Bernie or Warren to run...that could be trouble, though. And you have to think long-term. If calling the current pres (although deserved) a "motherf*er" is the new standard, which brings EVERYONE down to the same level that most are despising, then we are in serious long term trouble.

Someone has to stand up and be truly better and more adult than the rest.
Click to expand...

Kanye West used that word in the White House and NO ONE SAID A ****ING WORD ABOUT IT.
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

Slap Shot said:
No offense Rube but you post many times during the day. :) That said not seeing a post right away shouldn't be considered a big deal people get busy.

I also agree with you that I'd like to see more civil discourse from the Dems as long as the message is strong. You can hold no punches without cold-cokking someone. :)
Click to expand...

If I have the day off, yes.

Scooby: who ever really listens to what Kanye has to say? ;)

jerp: there are a lot of middletons out there, still. They don't want Trump, but what if by some miracle the GOP decides to put up someone different next time? Dems better have a good candidate ready...
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t care that most of the workers not getting paid are Democrats, I want to stop the Shutdown as soon as we are in agreement on Strong Border Security! I am in the White House ready to go, where are the Dems?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1081563196249513985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

5mn_Major said:
2) forgive moderates who switched to Trump and are now voting against the GOP (we ultimately want control and they are necessary for that)
Click to expand...

So you're owning it? I knew you were a Country Club Republican! :p

Language? I really don't care, at least as long as the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is around. Keep clutching your pearls, Donnie.
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

I think he is mistaking "moderate" with "unaligned." There were people who backed Dump but didn't do it for political ideology, just as there were people who backed Bernie with no political ideology. They were pitching a fit against the status quo, and Hillary was the most spectacular possible embodiment of the status quo. And there are a lot of them.

Those people are probably still with Dump because of his Walking Id persona. They think he's "tough" or "a destroyer" or at least "different." The fact that he's a horrific human being and a criminal actually improves his value with them. They've watched and identified with a million movies where the lowlife everyone spurns turns out to be the hero with the answer. That's a very powerful myth and Dump had the animal cleverness to realize he could exploit it. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't unzip his fly and wave his dick around at the debates. They would love that.

But though these people have no political convictions that doesn't make them "moderates." They're basically voter trolls. Their vote is a middle finger. The way to pry them off Dump's tip is to demonstrate how behind all the noise he's just the same old game of lining the 1%'s pockets and letting them starve. Dump is dumber and more mentally ill than the guys before, but he's playing the Exact Same Game on them.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t care that most of the workers not getting paid are Democrats, I want to stop the Shutdown as soon as we are in agreement on Strong Border Security! I am in the White House ready to go, where are the Dems?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1081563196249513985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Click to expand...
Jfc
 
Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

UGH!

Kep, I know this is a fault of people who have graduate degrees (even business degrees, like me ;)), but sometimes you need to stop reading into what people are saying. More often than not, a cigar is just a cigar.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top