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POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

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Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Ok, first, if the legislation is not illegal or unconstitutional, then legally they can do it. But I agree that doesn't answer the questions you pose as to whether it's "horrible" or "wrong."

I posted earlier I think the legislation is both short-sighted and unwise (certainly from a political sense) because control of legislatures and governors offices always changes, and sooner or later the Republicans may be on a position where they hold the governor's office and Dems hold the legislature, and at that point I bet they're going to wish the governor still had those powers. Furthermore, why give Dems running for the legislature something to run on. But as I said earlier, the R's in Wisconsin have apparently decided to take short term gain at the expense of possible long term loss. That's their gamble, not mine. It's not the way I would have gone.

Does that make it "horrible" or "wrong?" I don't think it's very smart. Whether it turns out to be "wrong," politically, largely depends upon the outcome of future elections in Wisconsin, and I have no idea what will happen there.

Is it "wrong" morally? From the standards of common decency or fairness, sure, probably. From the standards of politics, not likely.

So it's probably wrong on the standards of common decency and fairness, but at the same time it's silly for people to be upset about it. Got it.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

I assume you are talking about a gerrymandering problem? Yeah, I'm not in favor of gerrymandering. I've posted here before that I think all legislative districts should be drawn up in what I call normal or traditional geometric shapes, to the extent possible, with equal population in each.

I'm talking about ethics. Gerrymandering, yes. True voter suppression, yes. Taking people off the rolls, yes. Stealing votes, yes. And changing the governance power against the votes of the populous.

Not every conservative is unethical on every issue...but what would cause WI have a fair amount of the above unethical behavior while next door MN has absolutely none? What could the difference possibly be?
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

He seems hung up on Wisconsin, yet continues to ignore Michigan. That wasn't "lame duck legislation."

That's Indian giving.

I don't know that I'm hung up on Wisconsin. I just happen to live a lot closer to Wisconsin so I see and read a lot more news stories about what's happening in that state, as opposed to Michigan.

But if I understand the legislation you referred to here, and maybe once before, you are talking about the situation in Michigan where there was some sort of citizen initiative to pass an increase to the minimum wage. The Republican legislature then passed some minimum wage legislation that was designed at least in part to keep that initiative out of the election? Then after the election, they basically walked back their original bill to provide substantially less benefits or increases? Is that the basics of it?

Assuming that to be the case, here are my thoughts.

First, they can probably do that. I assume Michigan law gives the authority to the legislature to set the minimum wage, and I'm not aware of any theory in the law that says they can't lower it.

Second, it seems like an incredibly stupid move to make politically. If they thought that a minimum wage hike was going to be unpopular with their constituents, I assume that unhappiness has already taken hold with their supporters, and might have even showed itself during the election. Unwinding it now does them no favors.

So yeah, again it's not a particularly smart move by the Republican legislature, but don't expect me to defend Republicans in Congress or state legislatures as making consistently smart moves politically. Honestly, they spend more time shooting themselves in the foot, it seems to me.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

It's pretty amusing reading this after your hand-wavy "Don't like it? Win back the legislature" post. Given the chasm between the WI Democrat's modest majority of the popular votes and their tiny minority of seats they hold, you must realize that winning is impossible at this point without judicial intervention on the district lines.

Again, I don't have a problem with judicial intervention on gerrymandering cases. If I got to decide it, they'd all be square or rectangles, to the maximum extent possible.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071132880368132096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1071132880368132096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He must be a Joy to work for.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

So then, I take it we can expect to hear a scoop on Monday morning that Pompeo said or did something that was a combination of stupid, offensive, reckless, and/or illegal?
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

So then, I take it we can expect to hear a scoop on Monday morning that Pompeo said or did something that was a combination of stupid, offensive, reckless, and/or illegal?

Find any news clip since the day he took on the SOS position and there you have it.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

If I were a Republican and still had functioning brain cell(s) I would be so embarrassed.
 
I don't know that they actually gave the powers to the governor. For all I know, the powers may have been existence for some time. But they are certainly proposing to take powers away from the governor.

As I said, they can do that. If people are offended by lame duck legislation like this, do something about it. Amend your constitution to prohibit legislation between election day and the day legislators are sworn in. But remember, that's going to work both ways.

Then maybe you shouldn't be commenting about what's happening. Yes, its pretty common knowledge the Wisconsin Republican controlled legislature passed legislation to give Walker expanded powers.

Now that he won't be governor anymore, they want to take those powers away.

Pretty simple really.
 
Re: POTUS 45.44: "That's Not Law" said Trump

Man, I am bad at puzzles. For the life of me, I cannot figure out who Individual-1 is.
 
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