POTUS 45.40: If You Need a Lawyer, Don't Hire Michael Cohen

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45.40: If You Need a Lawyer, Don't Hire Michael Cohen

Bob Woodward is about selling books. That's it. Good on him. He started, as a journalist, working in a low paying but important job, and he's turned it into a financial goldmine. I congratulate him for it. But crisis sells books. Fear sells books. If the public thinks the book is filled with hundreds of stories of staff members hurling themselves across the office to shove Trump's thumb from the big red button, Bob's going to sell a lot of books.

If they are full of specific facts. then they should be published. There's typically admiration in the US of a free and proactive press. Should that suddenly stop?

He's doing the country a service.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Why in God's name did you ever have respect for Chuck "its not the press' job to correct GOP Obamacare falsehoods" Todd?

For sure he's had his moments. But on a scale he's been a pretty decent journalist. But, when you knowingly put a liar on Meet The Press so she can just spin for the President (another liar) then Tim Russert must be rolling in his grave.

Also, I found it a little fascinating that Kellyanne has been banished from Morning Joe but Chuck still had her on the flagship program.

 

[SJHovey]

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If they are full of specific facts. then they should be published. There's typically admiration in the US of a free and proactive press. Should that suddenly stop?

He's doing the country a service.

I'm not advocating that Woodward should be thwarted. Just understand where he is coming from.

People here have speculated on the series of events reported by Woodward.

If Woodward writes in his book that Trump drafted a tweet about removing family members from SK, showed to his advisors or the State Department to get their thoughts, they floated the idea through back channels to NK, NK said that would be a very bad idea and they would interpret the tweet as a sign that an attack is imminent, and the tweet was then silently deleted, that's one thing. It paints a picture of a stupid and naive President who at least thankfully had the sense to let someone else see what he was thinking before hitting "post."

But if Woodward paints a picture of Trump sitting alone drafting a tweet about SK as aides scramble around to find out the implications and rush in to keep his finger from the "post" button at the last minute, thus averting disaster, that's the hollywood version. That's young Bob Woodward, played by Robert Redford, standing alone in a darkened parking lot, hearing footsteps and feeling frightened. It's adding dramatic effect where none existed.

 

[LynahFan]

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I have an idea. Run the administration in a way that he has nothing exciting to write about. How about that?

Sure is a lot different than his Obama books.

Bzzzzzzt. Trick question. The real reason that Obama conspiracy book didn't get written is that nobody who would buy it knows how to read.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I'm not advocating that Woodward should be thwarted. Just understand where he is coming from.

People here have speculated on the series of events reported by Woodward.

If Woodward writes in his book that Trump drafted a tweet about removing family members from SK, showed to his advisors or the State Department to get their thoughts, they floated the idea through back channels to NK, NK said that would be a very bad idea and they would interpret the tweet as a sign that an attack is imminent, and the tweet was then silently deleted, that's one thing. It paints a picture of a stupid and naive President who at least thankfully had the sense to let someone else see what he was thinking before hitting "post."

But if Woodward paints a picture of Trump sitting alone drafting a tweet about SK as aides scramble around to find out the implications and rush in to keep his finger from the "post" button at the last minute, thus averting disaster, that's the hollywood version. That's young Bob Woodward, played by Robert Redford, standing alone in a darkened parking lot, hearing footsteps and feeling frightened. It's adding dramatic effect where none existed.

Fear is one of three negative emotions that drive individuals (the other two being anger and shame/low self esteem). It always stuns me how much fear drives so much of the public discourse. I don't understand this as fear is not my negative emotion.

Everyone is one of nine personality types - its called enneagram. I've thought that Trump was a type 3 'Performer'. They put up a facade of hardworking professional confident exterior, but deep down they have esteem problems. But I believe he's a type 6 'Loyalist'. They align themselves with groups for strength. Loyalists have fear that's off the charts. My confusion is not surprising - as 3s and 6s are connected.

I would encourage you to take a look at this about type 6 loyalists. Note not all 6s are bad...I believe Nelson Mandela was a loyalist. But it really explains today's Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFghO0lUFs

 

[rufus]

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I'm not advocating that Woodward should be thwarted. Just understand where he is coming from.

People here have speculated on the series of events reported by Woodward.

But if Woodward paints a picture of Trump sitting alone drafting a tweet about SK as aides scramble around to find out the implications and rush in to keep his finger from the "post" button at the last minute, thus averting disaster, that's the hollywood version. That's young Bob Woodward, played by Robert Redford, standing alone in a darkened parking lot, hearing footsteps and feeling frightened. It's adding dramatic effect where none existed.

Except that's not the picture he painted. That's the picture you're making up in your head to justify your stance that you find the whole thing unbelievable. Still making excuses for this president's crazed and erratic conduct.

 

[St. Clown]

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I suppose, but doesn't that then mean someone is seeing his Tweet's ahead of time, or someone is vetting them or something?

Is it possible to script a tweet, have it submitted for a future release date/time? I'm not much of a Twitter guy, thus my question. I know we can do this with Gmail in regards to sending emails, so the thought occurred to me. If that were the case, and Red Don's still using an unsecured phone, which was known during his first few months in office, then it's not inconceivable for this scenario to be true.

 

[French Rage]

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http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...re-education-camp-if-clinton-had-been-elected

Last week, right-wing radio host Dave Janda appeared on Sarah Westall’s “Business Game Changers” program, where he claimed that if Hillary Clinton had been elected president in 2016, he would currently be sitting in a government re-education camp or have already been killed.

That's why we elected the guy who doesn't send people to camps, yesiree.

 

[BassAle]

Is it possible to script a tweet, have it submitted for a future release date/time? I'm not much of a Twitter guy, thus my question. I know we can do this with Gmail in regards to sending emails, so the thought occurred to me. If that were the case, and Red Don's still using an unsecured phone, which was known during his first few months in office, then it's not inconceivable for this scenario to be true.

There are tools for managing social media. You can use them to schedule tweaks, coordinate tweets and facebook posts, etc

 

[SJHovey]

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Is it possible to script a tweet, have it submitted for a future release date/time? I'm not much of a Twitter guy, thus my question. I know we can do this with Gmail in regards to sending emails, so the thought occurred to me. If that were the case, and Red Don's still using an unsecured phone, which was known during his first few months in office, then it's not inconceivable for this scenario to be true.

Yeah, I don't know. As I said, I don't have a twitter account. Trump doesn't strike me as someone who is drafting tweets and setting them up for a future release. His tweets always seem more impulsive than that.

 

[SJHovey]

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Except that's not the picture he painted. That's the picture you're making up in your head to justify your stance that you find the whole thing unbelievable. Still making excuses for this president's crazed and erratic conduct.

Well that was the picture he painted as reported by the link provided by another poster, the link that led to this discussion.

 

[Rover]

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For sure he's had his moments. But on a scale he's been a pretty decent journalist. But, when you knowingly put a liar on Meet The Press so she can just spin for the President (another liar) then Tim Russert must be rolling in his grave.

Also, I found it a little fascinating that Kellyanne has been banished from Morning Joe but Chuck still had her on the flagship program.

Tim Russert was a hack and a BS artist. An Iraq War cheerleader when confronted on it after the fact on an excellent Bill Moyers retrospective of the media's role in the run up to the war he completely abdicated all responsibility. Real stand up guy.

Scooby, the point is none of these lamestream media personalities are your friend, or the friend of anybody to the left of Donald Chump. They're all cowards in the face of right wing attacks from various knuckledragger media platforms (Hannity, etc) so they will basically publish GOP press released and hand their shows over to the Kellyanne Conway's of the world to spout nonsense that they never push back on.

Frankly, I don't trust Bob Woodward either. Recall his "Maestro" book about the brilliance of Alan Greenspan right before Enron went down and two puff pieces about the Bush administration ("Bush at War" for example) until the political winds shifted and he then wrote a critical book after public opinion went south. However, in Woodward's case he's writing about things that others have already written about and some (Omorasa) have backed up with taped recordings, so give the geezer some credit for corroborating other people's work I guess.

 

[rufus]

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Well that was the picture he painted as reported by the link provided by another poster, the link that led to this discussion.

No, it wasn't. it's the picture you inferred.

 

[St. Clown]

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Yeah, I don't know. As I said, I don't have a twitter account. Trump doesn't strike me as someone who is drafting tweets and setting them up for a future release. His tweets always seem more impulsive than that.

You can also have keystroke trackers, but something like that would be less probable on a phone. A) The delay in receiving information, the NK's-->China-->WH staff/informer wouldn't jive with the proposed timeline of events. B) The constant data trickle would be too easily spotted by various snooping device scanners that *should* be present in the WH.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Vice President Mike Pence appeared on Fox News yesterday and expressed his “disappointment” with Obama’s comments.

Says Pence: “The truth is, the American people in 2016 rejected the policy and direction of Barack Obama when they elected President Donald Trump.” […]

Pence said it’s “very disappointing” to see Obama break with the tradition of former presidents, who largely shun the campaign trail, and “become so political.”

Yep. That's what happened. Republicans should hold both Houses in the midterms then.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I'm not advocating that Woodward should be thwarted. Just understand where he is coming from.

Where is he coming from (as evidenced by previous results) and what have you seen from Trump the past 2 years that would make the story not plausible?

 

[Rover]

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Yep. That's what happened. Republicans should hold both Houses in the midterms then.

If Chump's approval ratings don't get out of the mid-30's they'll be happy if they can hold onto one half of Congress. Simply put, the closer we're getting to election day the worse his standing. I half expect him to start a war between now and November to salvage his political standing. Problem is he's already played kiss a ss with all of our enemies (Russia, North Korea)!

 

[rufus]

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If Chump's approval ratings don't get out of the mid-30's they'll be happy if they can hold onto one half of Congress. Simply put, the closer we're getting to election day the worse his standing. I half expect him to start a war between now and November to salvage his political standing. Problem is he's already played kiss a ss with all of our enemies (Russia, North Korea)!

And too, other than hardcore Trumper districts, Trump is toxic to the general electorate. And yet, as the midterms draw closer, he's going to insert himself into as many races as he possibly can, because...……..Trump. Everything's gotta be about him. The more swing districts he ends up campaigning for the Repub candidate in, the better the Democrats chances.

 

[burd]

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Where is he coming from (as evidenced by previous results) and what have you seen from Trump the past 2 years that would make the story not plausible?

That"s the thing: What I have read of his story simply corroborates what we have seen and heard over the past 2 years (and before the election) from a host of sources, including his former people and, mostly, Trump himself. This story surprises no one.

 

[SJHovey]

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Where is he coming from (as evidenced by previous results) and what have you seen from Trump the past 2 years that would make the story not plausible?

What I primarily thought was implausible about the story was the timing involved.

From what I know about tweets, and from what I've seen from Trump's tweets, basically a thought pops into his head, he types it on his phone, hits "post" and it appears in public. There was nothing about his tweets that suggested any sort of review or vetting by State, the Pentagon or anyone else on his staff.

Thus, the timing of the story related in the link didn't make any sense when it suggested that he drafted a tweet, but before he released it the State department learned through back channels that NK would consider it a threat of imminent attack, and thus someone on his staff apparently had time to convince him to not tweet it. I didn't really see how the timing of all of that would have worked.