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POTUS 45.4 - What's a Battle?

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SJHovey said:
The only thing agencies seem remotely interested in investigating is whether Flynn lied, and who knew about it and when.

That's fine. I have no problem investigating it. If he lied, he ought to have been fired (or allowed to resign).

But it still doesn't answer my question, which is exactly what was the conversation about. You say it's not a "nothingburger." Ok. What was it?

Or maybe more significantly, what could it have been?

We know it was about the sanctions. I think that leaves us with three broad possibilities.

1. The conversation was nothing. It was basically something like, "Don't worry about it Sergey. The Trump administration will be much friendlier than the current administration."

I'm going to assume, and hope, this is not it. If it's that type of call, then the stupidity of lying about it is equaled only by the stupidity of spending as much time on this issue as we are. But, on the other hand, we are dealing with people in the administration and the media who presently have no capacity to think clearly or cogently, so there is a chance.

2. USCHO posters' wet dream. Scenario #2, which most of you are hoping for, involves a call in which Flynn and the Russian discuss in detail the intricate steps the Russians took to hack the U.S. election, all with the knowledge and co-planning of the Trump campaign and the RNC. I don't want to dash your hopes, but good luck with this.

3. Most likely scenario. My money is on a call in which Flynn told the Russian representative that Trump would review the sanctions placed by Obama, and as soon as Trump had the power, he would likely reverse or modify them.

Ok. That's arguably a violation of the Logan Act, but there is no chance even a Democratically appointed U.S. Attorney would prosecute it. It's even arguably unacceptable, but not really. If the same call was placed 3 weeks later there is no problem.

But hey, even if your wet dream was dashed, at least everyone got to post all their email pictures again, right?
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1. The leader of the Senate doesn't care.
2. The leader of the House doesn't care.
3. If it were nothing we'd know the answer already.
 
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That escalated quickly. From Spicer's briefing today:

1:35 PM: Spicer just awkwardly denied, if I'm understanding this right, that Flynn or anyone else had conversations with Russian officials during the election. This has been reported as a fact in the Times, the Post and in other media outlets.

1:31 PM: Here's a key passage from what Spicer said: "When the President heard the information presented by White House counsel, he instinctively thought that general Flynn did not do anything wrong and the White House Counsel's review corroborated that."

1:25 PM: Note that in Sean Spicer's initial discussion of the Flynn matter, he clearly did not say that Flynn had misled the President. The consistent refrain is that he misled Vice President Pence "and others." He also went to great lengths to say there was nothing substantively or legally wrong with what Flynn did. The issue is entirely one of communication between Michael Flynn and the Vice President "and others." Spicer said the President lost confidence because of Flynn's lack of truthfulness with Pence. It is no accident that there is no mention of Flynn misleading the President.
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And then he dropped the big one:

Spicer blamed the Justice Department for notifying the White House of Flynn's activities nearly two weeks after Flynn first raised the issue.

"The Department of Justice didn't notify the White House or the White House counsel at that time in the transition phase until 13 days later," he said. "We were making statements based on what General Flynn was telling us starting on Jan. 13th. The vice president went out on the 15th, right? They didn't notify the White House counsel's office until Jan. 26th."
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Kepler said:
That escalated quickly. From Spicer's briefing today:

And then he dropped the big one:
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What does it mean? (I need it explained "as you would to a golden retriever") Is the implication that Trump knew all along the full extent of Russia's involvement in the campaign, and that Flynn was negotiating with Putin as Trump's proxy back then? (this is what I expect to become clear, but I'm having a hard time connecting the dots right now)
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Meanwhile, this is impeachable.

From the NY Times:

That is complete and utter disregard for the American People, our system of government, and the rule of law. To leave a liar like that in a National Security position for that long after knowing is inexcusable.

Sally Yates was fired immediately. What did she do exactly? Oh, that's right. Nothing wrong. Just ticked off Orangeman.
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Does nobody care that a very important international incident, which should have been discussed in a SECURE ROOM was discussed out in the open???

Scarlet pointed out that the football holder was posted in FB at the same place.

This was a national security issue, important to don's guest- the PM on Japan.

All talked about, with documents, and random people around them (ok, not random, but club members) taking pictures of the whole thing in the open.

We are berated that national security is so very important, so that we need a wall and that we need to cut off travel.

Yet this incident involving a probable nuclear power that we KNOW is unstable- no security.

I'm WAY more bothered by that than Flynn.

This is many orders of magnitude more loose with national security than any alleged thing Secretary Clinton did.
 
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SJHovey said:
But hey, even if your wet dream was dashed, at least everyone got to post all their email pictures again, right?
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Well thank goodness we have level-minded, non-partisan heroes like you here to explain to all of us how this is all just one big misunderstanding and things are running great.
 
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alfablue said:
Does nobody care that a very important international incident, which should have been discussed in a SECURE ROOM was discussed out in the open???

Scarlet pointed out that the football holder was posted in FB at the same place.

This was a national security issue, important to don's guest- the PM on Japan.

All talked about, with documents, and random people around them (ok, not random, but club members) taking pictures of the whole thing in the open.

We are berated that national security is so very important, so that we need a wall and that we need to cut off travel.

Yet this incident involving a probable nuclear power that we KNOW is unstable- no security.

I'm WAY more bothered by that than Flynn.

This is many orders of magnitude more loose with national security than any alleged thing Secretary Clinton did.
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what happened?

are you talking bout the coreans shooting off missiles?
that was on cnn for crissakes :)
 
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MaizeRage said:
Well thank goodness we have level-minded, non-partisan heroes like you here to explain to all of us how this is all just one big misunderstanding and things are running great.
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Hey, I just asked the question. What was the conversation about? Apparently it was about an emailz meme.
 
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mookie1995 said:
what happened?

are you talking bout the coreans shooting off missiles?
that was on cnn for crissakes :)
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No, he's talking about Mara Lago turning into a situation room and the nuclear football being part of selfies with the tourists.
 
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mookie1995 said:
we nuked someone?!? :confused:
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No. Someone carries the football looking device that has the nuclear codes. They are with the President 24/7. That moron was taking selfies with the football with patrons of Mara Lago. It's just another example of how security minded the Trump administration is compared to that ****ing harlot Hillary Clinton while she was at State.
 
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@realDonaldTrump

Just as I predicted, @BarackObama has not allowed an independent investigation into the national security leaks from his cabinet.
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Tweeted 4:24 P.M. July 27th, 2012




The Republican party can go **** themselves.
 
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What information was in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago? Specific information. Classified? An unclassified brief that those dang "Crimeans" (thank you Rep Waters) were test firing again?

Based on what folks here tell me: Mr. Trump received a one page, single sided, piece of paper with a Crayola drawn map* of a the "Crimean" peninsula with a "Crimean" looking guy** holding a Roman candle with "bad" written on the tip and "BANG!" written in red beside it. Trump still needed Bannon to explain because Ivanka was too busy adoring her $10k bracelet to help out the old man. I give this scenario 5:1 odds of being reality.***

Then again, they could've been watching CNN on their iPads and gotten the same information (but better graphics).


*Courtesy KellyAnne Conway's kid
**Racist?
***If someone wants to generate their own artist's rendering feel free; I grant you all the IP rights. :)
 
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MaizeRage said:
It was about pointing out what a sad, disgusting hypocrite you are. Protip: It's usually about that.
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I'm the hypocrite? When people were whining about HRC's email server, people like you were on here shouting that it doesn't matter. Even if she didn't follow protocol, since no national security secrets were ever compromised, it was much ado about nothing.

And not once did I ever argue against you and the others on that point. I agree. While she could have made a better decision, nothing was compromised, so what's the problem.

So I asked the question in this case. Apparently it's known what was talked about, but no one (certainly not here) seems too concerned about it. Instead, the most important issues are apparently, a) he talked to the Russians (who cares what about), and b) he lied about talking to the Russians.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm the hypocrite? When people were whining about HRC's email server, people like you were on here shouting that it doesn't matter. Even if she didn't follow protocol, since no national security secrets were ever compromised, it was much ado about nothing.

And not once did I ever argue against you and the others on that point. I agree. While she could have made a better decision, nothing was compromised, so what's the problem.

So I asked the question in this case. Apparently it's known what was talked about, but no one (certainly not here) seems too concerned about it. Instead, the most important issues are apparently, a) he talked to the Russians (who cares what about), and b) he lied about talking to the Russians.
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No, no, no no. No one cares he talked to the Russians. I know I don't. The problem is he LIED ABOUT IT TO THE VICE PRESIDENT. Get it now? Hillary never lied about her email server. Never. Everyone knew she had it.

From the NY Times:
Republicans, with the exception of Senator John McCain, remained largely silent to the turmoil in President Donald J. Trump's national security team.
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Republicans have no honor. NONE.
 
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Trump doesn't have all the "under" positions filled.
Heck, he doesn't have all his top positions filled.

And there are all these leaks.

Curious.
 
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