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POTUS 45.4 - What's a Battle?

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SJHovey said:
It's what I call "fear of the needle in the haystack."

We permit ourselves to be subjected to this, without a second thought, many times each year. Every time one of us flies, we let people dig through our bags and luggage, empty our pockets, even x-ray us, all without a warrant. Why, because enough of us are freaked out about the possibility that someone might try to blow up the plane or hijack the plane, etc...

Could it happen? Sure, but pretty darn unlikely. But apparently people are willing to sacrifice certain liberties to lessen the risk. Me, I'm willing to take the chance.

The border searches are the same principle.

The cellphone search is just an extension of it. The only difference is that to people of a certain age/generation, the cellphone is the holy of holies.
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Hence why I do road trips throughout the lower 48.
 
SJHovey said:
The cellphone search is just an extension of it. The only difference is that to people of a certain age/generation, the cellphone is the holy of holies.
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A cellphone in today's society is no different from a butter cookie tin our parents or grandparents had. Or the leather pouches their parents or grandparents had before them.


Only difference being the cellphone is a whole lot more portable than those jammed full cookie tins. ;)
 
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SJHovey said:
It's what I call "fear of the needle in the haystack."
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Worse still, expanding the search in such a hamfisted way actually lessens our safety because it bleeds off resources. We do it because it makes us feel safer. The government does it because they are terrified that if there's an attack somebody will say "well, why didn't you do x?!" even if x is stupid. The immigration bans are the same thing.

Our monkey brains are killing us on this. Want to ensure there are no attacks? Lock everybody in their homes. There. Safety.
 
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Kepler said:
Worse still, expanding the search in such a hamfisted way actually lessens our safety because it bleeds off resources. We do it because it makes us feel safer. The government does it because they are terrified that if there's an attack somebody will say "well, why didn't you do x?!" even if x is stupid. The immigration bans are the same thing.

Our monkey brains are killing us on this. Want to ensure there are no attacks? Lock everybody in their homes. There. Safety.
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Tack on a mandate that all cars are driverless, so you only get to go to "approved" locations.
 
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Kepler said:
Worse still, expanding the search in such a hamfisted way actually lessens our safety because it bleeds off resources. We do it because it makes us feel safer. The government does it because they are terrified that if there's an attack somebody will say "well, why didn't you do x?!" even if x is stupid. The immigration bans are the same thing.

Our monkey brains are killing us on this. Want to ensure there are no attacks? Lock everybody in their homes. There. Safety.
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What is even more funny about the fear of attack- the people who are the MOST at fear at being attacked are the ones with the least likelihood of being attacked- the rural people.

Over and over again, if there are attacks, it's where people are- so why are people who live among very few the most afraid of terrorists? To the point of ignoring the fact that the actual attacks in the US have been local grown people- and not all of them from one religion. Although, the right wants to call the attack at the church a hate crime as opposed to a terrorist act, even though the goal was to start a race war.

Facts are SO easily overlooked because of fear. And fear is running the republican party.

Logic that you can NOT have mass streams of refugees from Syria or Libya mean nothing. Logic that anyone coming via ship or plane HAS to have been checked out to get a visa- even a minor look filters out threats even more.

And cutting off the border does not make the chance of an attack 0. Nothing ever will.
 
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Scott Baio says he will never shop at Nordstrom's again. I'm waiting to hear if Donny Most will still shop at Ross.
 
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So, a guest at Mar-A-Lago over the weekend posted a picture of himself and the guy who carries the nuclear codes "football." Gave his name and everything. First off, that guy should no longer be carrying the football - shouldn't he say "No thank you - I can't take a picture with a random stranger while I'm carrying the nuclear codes"???? Seriously, a few years back on July 4th, I was out on a boat with the State Police and some FBI and Homeland Security guys and our photographer wanted to get a few photos of them and they couldn't say no fast enough, they weren't allowed. And this idiot posts it all over Facebook! Along with photos of Trump being briefed about North Korea and how cool it was to be so close. What is wrong with people??
 
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Careful with that ax, Eugene.

“It’s my view that Reince is the problem. I think on paper Reince looked good as the chief of staff — and Donald trusted him — but it’s pretty clear the guy is in way over his head. He’s not knowledgeable of how federal agencies work, how the communications operations work. He botched this whole immigration rollout. This should’ve been a win for Donald, not two or three weeks of negative publicity.”
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So spaketh one of Trump's white supremacist friends. Move over Chris Christie, a smaller dog's movin' in...
 
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Beginning with knock-and-announce and various automobile exceptions to the warrant requirement, the war on drugs pretty much eviscerated the 4th A. 9/11 and the Patriot Act were the coup de grace.
 
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Welp, this is fun. The IC is operating under the assumption that the Trump administration has a Russian mole.

... out of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets.

Since NSA provides something like 80 percent of the actionable intelligence in our government, what’s being kept from the White House may be very significant indeed. However, such concerns are widely shared across the IC, and NSA doesn’t appear to be the only agency withholding intelligence from the administration out of security fears.

What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.

None of this has happened in Washington before. A White House with unsettling links to Moscow wasn’t something anybody in the Pentagon or the Intelligence Community even considered a possibility until a few months ago. Until Team Trump clarifies its strange relationship with the Kremlin, and starts working on its professional honesty, the IC will approach the administration with caution and concern.
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There's another fun story about how in contrast with Obama's briefings, which were 3-6 single-spaced pages, Trump's are a maximum of 1 page and include graphics and maps.
 
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burd said:
Beginning with knock-and-announce and various automobile exceptions to the warrant requirement, the war on drugs pretty much eviscerated the 4th A. 9/11 and the Patriot Act were the coup de grace.
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I still think we can back out the "war on drugs." All it ever was was a method for imprisoning minorities. Once the minorities are the majority, yeah, that's not gonna fly anymore. We might have Stop and Frisk at Goldman, though.
 
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