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POTUS 45.39: Dick Pictures for Everyone!!!!!!!

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alfablue said:
Do you think board of directors that run companies are there for hand holding??? Seriously? How shallow are you?
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I am on the board of directors of an organization with over a quarter billion dollars of assets on the balance sheet. I'm there to set policy and make sure it's followed. It's current management's job to run the business.

If there is a problem involving day-to-day operations confidential (e.g. personnel, union negotiation) matters we get "read in" during executive session.
 
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alfablue said:
... why these guys are somehow a security risk- and please provide some examples. ...

Basically, I STRONGLY disagree with the idea that this group of people are some kind of security risk- kind of an absurd assumption, actually. ...
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David Petraeus, 4th Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, in office September 6, 2011 to November 9, 2012.

Michael Flynn, former Director Defense Intelligence Agency, former National Security Adviser.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I said read them in when they are the subject matter expert and are needed.

Not being in the employ (and thus not having need to know) is a big deal, though you may downplay it.
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You clearly know nothing about clearances. "Need to know" is not a test that is applied when determining whether one can obtain (or hold) a security clearance. "Need to know" is a test that is applied by an individual who possesses classified information when considering whether to provide that classified information to another person who holds the correct level of clearance that would make the person eligible to receive it. Having a certain level clearance does not entitle you to see anything - it makes you eligible to see it. The burden is always on the possessor of classified information to determine if a potential receiver of that information has a need to know before sharing it.

My company obtains clearances for nearly all of its employees as a matter of course, just in case there's ever a need to have them work on classified contracts - it's far too lengthy of a process to do on the spur of the moment if there's an urgent need. Many employees end up working their entire careers having held a clearance the entire time but never seeing any classified information because they never had a "need to know" for the work they were performing. That doesn't mean their clearances should have been pulled just because they never had a need to know.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
John Brennen is FORMER CIA director. He is no longer in the employ and thus has no need to know.

Mike Pompeo is the CIA director.
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The Sicatoka said:
I said read them in when they are the subject matter expert and are needed.

Not being in the employ (and thus not having need to know) is a big deal, though you may downplay it.
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For a details guy, you don't really understand the details...

The "need to know" has absolutely zero bearing on holding a clearance. A clearance is essentially the government determining you are trustworthy to hold information up to the classification of your clearance. To get one you need a sponsor (either a company or Govt org) and to pass the background check. If you leave that sponsor they update your status and you typically get 2 years to get picked up by a new sponsor before your clearance expires.

Need to know on the other hand, is regarding specific classified information. To be given the info you must have a need to know and clearance. If you work on Army Program A you don't need to know anything about Army Program B. If you are a network engineer you need to know different things than a software engineer. Need to know has NOTHING to do with whether or not you hold a clearance.
 
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Yes - what jerphirsch said, too, with one note that one can technically "sponsor" himself if he has a business (incl. sole proprietorship) which is going to work/consult on classified government contracts. So Brennen could easily have kept his clearance indefinitely, should he have chosen to do so - it would not necessarily automatically have gone inactive after 2 years.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I said read them in when they are the subject matter expert and are needed.
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getting a high-level security clearance isn't a 5 minute process. At one of my previous jobs I had secret clearance (not top secret), and that took a while to process. If there is any chance you might need access to classified information you go through the process, so in case you ever need to know you already have clearance.
 
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A retired Navy admiral who oversaw the killing of terrorist Osama bin Laden says that if President Donald Trump is going to revoke the White House security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan, then Trump should revoke his, too.

On Wednesday, Trump cited “lying,” frenzied commentary,” and “erratic conduct” as reasons he’d revoked Brennan’s security clearance. Brennan, a frequent Trump critic, called the president’s actions an attempt to silence his free speech and tweeted, “My principles are worth far more than clearances.”

In a Washington Post OpEd on Thursday, William McRaven, the former commander of the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014, spoke out on Brennan’s behalf. He called Brennan “one of the finest public servants I have ever known” and a man of “unparalleled integrity.”

McRaven then challenged Trump to revoke his clearance also.

“I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency,” McRaven wrote.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ecurity-clearance_us_5b75ccf7e4b05906b4117dc5
 
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Saw this from a friend's Facebook post and I have to steal it:

I feel like the Florida coast is a beautiful metaphor for the State of the Union. The red tide rolled in and is hanging out longer than normal, suffocating and killing everything. Causing destruction. Making a mess of everything. Eventually, the winds will change and the beautiful blue waves will come back in and restore life and balance.
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MEDINA, Ohio — There were two marquee events scheduled on a recent Wednesday evening in northern Ohio’s Medina County.

For $9, the county fair hosted its annual “Rough Truck Contest,” at which car enthusiasts could, according to the attraction’s website, see the “4x4 equivalent of Cirque du Soleil” but without the “leotarded performers who flit around on stage.”

The other big draw was a $15 private screening of “Death of a Nation,” a new documentary film made by the recently pardoned conservative provocateur Dinesh D’Souza, which argues that the Democratic Party is composed of modern-day Nazis, racists and fascists who, if not for President Trump, would bring the collapse of the United States.

It was, unquestionably, a hit.

“This is the real history of the Democratic Party,” said David Wadsworth, one moviegoer, who currently serves as clerk of courts in Medina County. “People don’t give us the credit, as Republicans, for not being the racist ones.”

For the roughly 30 people at the film, which was hosted by the Medina County Republican Women and was one of dozens of watch parties held across the country, “Death of a Nation” was more than entertainment. It was a confirmation of a worldview they feel is often unjustly ridiculed or intentionally ignored. They said it spoke to their deep-seated fears about the fate of the country if Democrats prevail in the November midterms, and did so using the raw, flame-throwing rhetoric that, to them, signals a Trump-like authority and authenticity.

In Medina, the film’s use of demagogy wasn’t a drawback, but a punch line: One scene dismissing minority voters as leeches feeding off Democrats’ “modern plantation” was met with approving giggles, while a montage of liberals crying on election night elicited riotous laughter.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/...th-of-a-nation.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

“This showed the true side of the conservative movement: We’re not the hatemongers,” said Lisa Navin, 63. She said Democrats are the “real racists,” though she “didn’t need this movie to show” her that.
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In the film, which is narrated by Mr. D’Souza and blends cherry-picked facts and historical falsehoods with an apocalyptic portrait of the left, progressives are deemed to be solely responsible for worst evils of the 19th and 20th century, including slavery, the Civil War, the Ku Klux Klan, Benito Mussolini’s rise in Italy, the persecution of Native Americans, the Holocaust and more.
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Josh sums it up.

The greatest conceit in public life today is the notion that we don’t already know President Trump is guilty. Guilty of what? Conspiring, by whatever level of directness, with a foreign power to win the Presidency and then continuing to cater to that foreign power either as payback for the assistance or out of fear of being exposed. In other words, collusion, a national betrayal that may break some statute laws but which far transcends them and isn’t in the past but is rather on-going.


It’s true that as a matter of courtroom, reasonable doubt legal proof we don’t yet know this. Or at least, we in the public don’t have all the necessary evidence. It’s possible that critical details are in the hands of the Special Counsel’s office or somewhere in the Intelligence apparatus. But that’s not really the point. These aren’t questions of criminal law. They might become questions of criminal law. But they’re not there yet. They are now simply political questions, meant in the sense that the country must make decisions about President Trump’s conduct and and whether he can be trusted with the truly vast powers of the Presidency.
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/we-know-trump-is-guilty-were-having-a-hard-time-admitting-it

Read the whole thing.
 
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So apparently by not spending money on a parade that we didn't have and weren't going to spend anyways, we can now afford more jets. The businessman President!
 
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It's all about Red Don.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-gears-up-to-strip-more-clearances-from-officials-tied-to-russia-probe/2018/08/16/341fe418-a165-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b55e65f9ff5c

Trump believes he has emerged looking strong and decisive in his escalating feud with Brennan, the aides said, adding that he shows a visceral disdain for the former CIA director when he sees him on TV.
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Trump grew increasingly agitated about Brennan and others earlier in the summer, believing they were exploiting their credentials as former national security officials to make money, aides said.
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Oooh, that's rich.
 
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