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POTUS 45.30: "Stormy Weather...It Keeps on Rainin' all the Time..."

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Meh. Playing the marginal tax rate game is all well and good, but at the end of the day the next time the knucks' get back in power they're going to cut the top rate again. BUT - what if there's a way to raise taxes on the rich....PERMANENTLY?!?!?!

In fact there is, and its right in front of everybody's noses. Its called payroll taxes. If you want to soak the rich, screw them with higher payroll taxes in order to fund an expansion of social security and Medicare. A progressive Dem could easily run on lifting income cap on social security since its all on income below approx. 120K (too lazy to look up). This also sticks it to corporations who just got a big kiss in the mail from the GOP. Now they're going to give that back. Payroll taxes are a lot tougher to get out of paying and good luck campaigning to reduce them as Republicans found out when they tried to repeal the ACA specifically to give their wealthy donors a tax cut (the Medicaid surcharge). Not sure about SS but for Medicare/Medicaid you can charge a higher rate for higher income levels. Lets see knuckledraggers try to explain their opposition to that one. :D

Oh, and before some dinosaur righty tries to float out the "But It'll Cut Jobs" crap, to believe that is to believe that corporate America has millions of excess employees lying around out of the goodness of their own hearts who would be out of a job if it cost a little more to employ them. Anybody who actually has a job knows that that's BS as peak lean efficiency as its called has been the norm for like 20 years now.

Maybe, like the 2003 tax cuts, they'll make it expire when they expect the democrats to be in power, only to trick the democrats into a lose-lose situation where they either alienate their base or screw over their constituency. Sometimes it's a welcome sight to see the other side in power because their stupidity can be exposed.

As for the payroll taxes, this is exactly what Cuomo's trying to do in NYS: Replacing income taxes with payroll taxes. And as usual, you're only looking at the mega corporations because you want to "stick it to the man". How about we look at the mom and pop business owners of Main Street USA. Do you have any idea what sort of margins they have? They're typically razor thin. And another cost like this they'll have to pass to the consumer because it will now cost them more to hire, and even more so because you took the 15 bait without looking at inflation being what really is causing the problem. And in a state where taxes are already so high that businesses selectively refuse to operate in this state, things are even worse.

There's a reason unemployment is at a record low, and it has nothing to do with cooking books... ;)
 
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I would love to see payroll tax reform. Seems to me it's a no brainer. There are many many many things they could do to make it more fair and to make Social Security and Medicare better and more permanent than they already are.

Move to NYS. You'll get it here.
 
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The most effective way to raise taxes on the wealthy is a wealth tax. Sure, the GOP will reverse it every time they get into office, but in the meantime we take 10% of everything over $10M every year we're in power. It adds up, and we can use it to finance cutting taxes on the middle class to keep getting us elected.

Communist. You've never actually earned anything in your life, have you? And if you have, put your money where your mouth is and send it to Parkersburg WV.
 
Re: POTUS 45.30: "Stormy Weather...It Keeps on Rainin' all the Time..."

Meh. Playing the marginal tax rate game is all well and good, but at the end of the day the next time the knucks' get back in power they're going to cut the top rate again. BUT - what if there's a way to raise taxes on the rich....PERMANENTLY?!?!?!

In fact there is, and its right in front of everybody's noses. Its called payroll taxes. If you want to soak the rich, screw them with higher payroll taxes in order to fund an expansion of social security and Medicare. A progressive Dem could easily run on lifting income cap on social security since its all on income below approx. 120K (too lazy to look up). This also sticks it to corporations who just got a big kiss in the mail from the GOP. Now they're going to give that back. Payroll taxes are a lot tougher to get out of paying and good luck campaigning to reduce them as Republicans found out when they tried to repeal the ACA specifically to give their wealthy donors a tax cut (the Medicaid surcharge). Not sure about SS but for Medicare/Medicaid you can charge a higher rate for higher income levels. Lets see knuckledraggers try to explain their opposition to that one. :D

Oh, and before some dinosaur righty tries to float out the "But It'll Cut Jobs" crap, to believe that is to believe that corporate America has millions of excess employees lying around out of the goodness of their own hearts who would be out of a job if it cost a little more to employ them. Anybody who actually has a job knows that that's BS as peak lean efficiency as its called has been the norm for like 20 years now.

you do that, and then you also reduce or eliminate the employer's share of that contribution. cut taxes for working middle class, while at the same time cutting costs on employers and corporations. it's a win-win. move to single payer, and employers benefit even more.
 
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Meh. Playing the marginal tax rate game is all well and good, but at the end of the day the next time the knucks' get back in power they're going to cut the top rate again. BUT - what if there's a way to raise taxes on the rich....PERMANENTLY?!?!?!

In fact there is, and its right in front of everybody's noses. Its called payroll taxes. If you want to soak the rich, screw them with higher payroll taxes in order to fund an expansion of social security and Medicare. A progressive Dem could easily run on lifting income cap on social security since its all on income below approx. 120K (too lazy to look up). This also sticks it to corporations who just got a big kiss in the mail from the GOP. Now they're going to give that back. Payroll taxes are a lot tougher to get out of paying and good luck campaigning to reduce them as Republicans found out when they tried to repeal the ACA specifically to give their wealthy donors a tax cut (the Medicaid surcharge). Not sure about SS but for Medicare/Medicaid you can charge a higher rate for higher income levels. Lets see knuckledraggers try to explain their opposition to that one. :D

Oh, and before some dinosaur righty tries to float out the "But It'll Cut Jobs" crap, to believe that is to believe that corporate America has millions of excess employees lying around out of the goodness of their own hearts who would be out of a job if it cost a little more to employ them. Anybody who actually has a job knows that that's BS as peak lean efficiency as its called has been the norm for like 20 years now.
That's pretty funny that you think a payroll tax increase will stick it to the rich. You think there have never been payroll tax increases before, so we don't know what happens?

Of course they don't cut jobs. That will just harm the company. Instead, there are two steps which are almost always taken, in combination, in response to a payroll tax increase.

First, compensation increases slow. If you were able to increase wages by say 3% next year you'll back off that because in real dollars it will cost you more with the new payroll tax increase.

Second, you pass along the costs to the consumer.

In both instances it's the blue collar worker who pays.
 
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you do that, and then you also reduce or eliminate the employer's share of that contribution. cut taxes for working middle class, while at the same time cutting costs on employers and corporations. it's a win-win. move to single payer, and employers benefit even more.

You really are slow, aren't you? A payroll tax IS "the employer's share of that contribution". You're increasing it.

Oh, and single payer is still terrible. There's a reason foreigners flock to the US for health care: Because they can actually get it. Not have some death panel determine in a year whether they can get it. Learn from the mistakes of Vermont, as well, which tried a hybrid system and couldn't afford it. And also California, who will end up with a trillion deficit if they did single payer.
 
You really are slow, aren't you? A payroll tax IS "the employer's share of that contribution". You're increasing it.

Oh, and single payer is still terrible. There's a reason foreigners flock to the US for health care: Because they can actually get it. Not have some death panel determine in a year whether they can get it. Learn from the mistakes of Vermont, as well, which tried a hybrid system and couldn't afford it. And also California, who will end up with a trillion deficit if they did single payer.

We have similar beliefs on a lot of things and I really think single payer is the future. A lot of wasted resources in the current setup moving money and paperwork around. It would take serious vision but if it was executed properly would really be great. You would have economies of scale for much better care than we have now.
 
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We have similar beliefs on a lot of things and I really think single payer is the future. A lot of wasted resources in the current setup moving money and paperwork around. It would take serious vision but if it was executed properly would really be great. You would have economies of scale for much better care than we have now.

I don't think it can be executed properly. Let's take a look at an example, even in this country, and I'll use the state I live in (I don't know if your state is different), and that's how the state handles Medicaid. They have a serious issue with paying out right now, at least in terms of frequency. So much so that many providers are no longer accepting Medicaid because they do not see proper reimbursement. And this is coming from first hand accounts of close acquaintances (obviously not going to name relations to protect the innocent). By putting more people onto a single payer system, you're further extrapolating this same issue across an even larger clientèle, and given the requirements you have for it would involve something broad across the entire country, the scope is just too large to ever manage properly.

I think we can all agree that the root cause of the problem is the fiscal value that is placed on health care. Why are we not trying to look at deflationary policies? It's no different from the bubble of college tuition. Once you find a buyer (e.g. insurance companies), and/or you make the product inelastic through a government mandate (PPACA), you have a consequence-free ability to jack up the price as much as you want because someone's going to say, "Yes I'm willing to pay that bill." And sure, maybe the government's trying to put their foot down and say no, but if there's still a market and people are still willing to pay, the prices will remain as they are.
 
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You really are slow, aren't you? A payroll tax IS "the employer's share of that contribution". You're increasing it.

umm, no. it's half employee, half employer.

you remove the cap on income, now you're getting 6% of all employee income, not just capped at $112,000. now you can reduce or eliminate the employer's 6% share, and still be brining in more money.

you don't know much about much, do you? maybe alex will explain to you how payroll taxes work. ask him nicely. maybe offer to buy more of his dick pills.
 
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As for the payroll taxes, this is exactly what Cuomo's trying to do in NYS: Replacing income taxes with payroll taxes. And as usual, you're only looking at the mega corporations because you want to "stick it to the man". How about we look at the mom and pop business owners of Main Street USA. Do you have any idea what sort of margins they have? They're typically razor thin. And another cost like this they'll have to pass to the consumer because it will now cost them more to hire, and even more so because you took the 15 bait without looking at inflation being what really is causing the problem. And in a state where taxes are already so high that businesses selectively refuse to operate in this state, things are even worse.

This makes no sense (as usual ;) ) Mom and Pop aren't affected unless they're paying all their employees 250+ large a year, at which case I don't think they qualify for Mom and Pop status anymore. :eek:

My proposal is of course brilliant. The concern that companies will stop raises wholesale is unrealistic IMHO. Simply put corporations just received a windfall with tax legislation. Now they're going to give some back whether they like it or not. Talented employees have bargaining power, they can just ditch and go work at another company. It helps if you live in a dynamic city and not a backwater one industry town of course.
 
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Looks like the halfwit's about to lose another pal.

The author of a new book on the current state of affairs in the White House claims that Kellyanne Conway is the "number one leaker" in President Donald Trump's White House.

In a Sunday interview with CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union," Ronald Kessler, the author of "The Trump White House: Changing the Rules of the Game," claimed that the President's counselor and former campaign manager leaks more information to the press than any other individual working in the White House.

Kessler told Tapper that in at least one interview with Conway, she forgot that they were on-the-record as she ripped into her fellow colleagues. According to Kessler, Conway said some of the most "mean, cutting and honestly untrue" things about former chief of staff Reince Priebus, and also "dissed" Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, the President's senior advisor and son-in-law.

"So if you wonder why there are so many leaks out of the White House, one reason is Kellyanne Conway is the number one leaker," Kessler said.

The White House did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment.

Ahem.
 
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There's also this juicy tidbit:

Claiming his book contains many "juicy tidbits" about the White House, Kessler also said that Trump understands that Ivanka Trump and Kushner are "problems."

In his book, Kessler writes: "In the end, Jared and Ivanka would push the most disastrous and foolish decisions of Trump's presidency ... they had no understanding of the basic fundamentals of how government works, how a campaign works, how politics works. Most of all, they had no understanding of the political consequences of their actions."

Kessler told Tapper that the pair "pushed the firing of Comey, which was disastrous," and were instrumental in the hiring of Anthony Scaramucci, the White House's former communications director, which Kessler called "the most absurd hire in the history of the White House."
 
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STOLEN!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Congress must immediately pass Border Legislation, use Nuclear Option if necessary, to stop the massive inflow of Drugs and People. Border Patrol Agents (and ICE) are GREAT, but the weak Dem laws don’t allow them to do their job. Act now Congress, our country is being stolen!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/980764358530789380?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What are the simple steps to copy an article or video and post here as hypertext? A little embarrassed to ask.
 
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What are the simple steps to copy an article or video and post here as hypertext? A little embarrassed to ask.

Copy article link
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Type out a brief description of what the article says.
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Kellyanne Conway being the leaker is not exactly news...it has been the worst kept secret in Washington since Day 1. Hell there were articles about her getting drunk at Washington parties and spilling all sorts of gossip. She hates her job and knows Trump winning killed her future on cable news outside of Faux.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">White House considered firing EPA chief Scott Pruitt<a href="https://t.co/YJLOScQEY1">https://t.co/YJLOScQEY1</a> <a href="https://t.co/boEqypuGIF">pic.twitter.com/boEqypuGIF</a></p>— POLITICO (@politico) <a href="https://twitter.com/politico/status/980957941149917184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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