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POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

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No. Trump works for Trump.


Next question?
 
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Slap Shot said:
You actually believe Dems will let him build a wall.
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Yep. Already happening. He already has funding that hasn't even been used yet. We are going full xenophobe on the bit. Tear the statue down. Now.
 
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Me too. Cause, you know, now, it's not really a wall. And Dems have no backbone.
 
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You know what, if we're gonna have a wall, they better not half-a55 it. I want everything - mined death strips, attack dogs, shrapnel APMs on tripwire, guard towers, patrolled vehicle roads, and shoot-to-kill orders. Plus, that will be just the old technologies - think of what else we can do here in the 21st century! If we're gonna be a police state, I want us to embrace it so much that we make the old Eastern Bloc jealous. :cool:
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You know what, if we're gonna have a wall, they better not half-a55 it. I want everything - mined death strips, attack dogs, shrapnel APMs on tripwire, guard towers, patrolled vehicle roads, and shoot-to-kill orders. Plus, that will be just the old technologies - think of what else we can do here in the 21st century! If we're gonna be a police state, I want us to embrace it so much that we make the old Eastern Bloc jealous. :cool:
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I'd go Satellite Weapons. If you cross the border illegally you get zapped from Space. No trial. No Constitution. Just ZAP and you're done.
 
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I've Watched Trump Testify Under Oath. It Isn't Pretty.

Speaking from experience, I think the president's attorneys should grab their worry beads. Trump sued me for libel in 2006 for a biography I wrote, "TrumpNation," alleging that the book misrepresented his business record and understated his wealth. Trump lost the suit in 2011, but during the litigation my lawyers deposed him under oath for two days in 2007. We had the opportunity to ask Trump about his business and banking practices, his taxes, his personal finances and his professional relationships.

Hammered by White and her deputies, Trump ultimately had to admit 30 times that he had lied over the years about all sorts of stuff: how much of a big Manhattan real estate project he owned; the price of one of his golf club memberships; the size of the Trump Organization; his wealth; his speaking fees; how many condos he had sold; his debts, and whether he borrowed money from his family to avoid going personally bankrupt. He also lied during the deposition about his business dealings with career criminals.

Trump's poor performance stemmed in part from the fact that he was being interrogated by shrewd attorneys wielding his own business and financial records against him. But there were lots of other things that went wrong as well.

Trump is impatient and has never been an avid or dedicated reader. That’s OK if you’d rather play golf, but it’s not OK when you need to absorb abundant or complex details. Lawyers typically prepare binders full of documents for their clients to pore over prior to a deposition, hoping to steel them for an intense grilling. My lawyers did that prior to my own deposition in the Trump lawsuit. But Trump didn’t appear to be well prepared when we deposed him, a weakness that my lawyers exploited (and that Mueller surely would as well).

Trump, for example, had submitted a document to the court from his accountant outlining his assets and liabilities. He was proud of the document’s glowing conclusions but hadn’t seemed to have read most of it prior to sitting down with my lawyers – including a section that said that the report wasn’t a reliable gauge of his wealth. Trump seemed surprised when my lawyers pointed that out.

At moments during his deposition in my libel case, Trump would have been well served to acknowledge that others in his organization – like his chief financial officer – had independently decided to gather and report certain problematic financial information. But Trump couldn’t resist saying that his minions at the Trump Organization and elsewhere were just following his orders, a boast that also raised the legal stakes for himself (even if he didn’t realize that’s what he was doing).
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Please let this happen. You killed the Vikings again, let me have this at least.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You know what, if we're gonna have a wall, they better not half-a55 it. I want everything - mined death strips, attack dogs, shrapnel APMs on tripwire, guard towers, patrolled vehicle roads, and shoot-to-kill orders. Plus, that will be just the old technologies - think of what else we can do here in the 21st century! If we're gonna be a police state, I want us to embrace it so much that we make the old Eastern Bloc jealous. :cool:
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We need a laser-gridded death zone like in Entrapment. And we'll have contests to see which hottie Meskin girl can do the best Catherine Zeta-Jones impersonation. Winner gets citizenship.

Broadcast on pay per view, of course.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You want to look at prevention, that's accomplished through education, not forcing people to buy something. Even if you forced them to buy into the health coverage, there's no guarantee they're going to actually take preventive steps. And even if they do, the wait times end up being so high to even be seen, especially in urban areas, so they end up just compounding the original problem.
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OK. I will bite. You are completely off base here.
- prevention, that's accomplished through education, not forcing people to buy something- NO. Prevention is testing to see if a disease state has started.
-if the disease state is present then you initiate treatment at the earliest possible moment. For multiple diseases this can PREVENT serious sequelae from happening. Example- Type II Diabetes- if left untreated risk for cardiac event, stroke, etc increases 4 fold. If treated morbidity is sig decreased. Screening can identify if people are borderline diabetic and teatment can be instituted
- if the test is negative then you would continue to screen at prescribed intervals to make sure the person is disease free

Education is a piece of prevention. It does not take the place of prevention.

-Even if people do not take preventive steps they are covered in some way should an event happen. If you have an MI then 7K is pittance. You are talking >10K just to get out the door for a mild one. Serious can be >100K.

-Statistics show that people utilize the screening http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.30476/full This was reported on CNN but here is the link to the actual article in the Journal, Cancer, because I am sure you would be scared to be exposed to CNN lest it corrupt you. Here is another one from Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...helping-find-early-stage-cancer-idUSKBN157292

- I can say anecdotally when I was working the number of people we were able to see for physicals and who could get screening tests was increased exponentially. THe system did struggle to keep up but was righting itself until recently.

-And even if they do, the wait times end up being so high to even be seen, especially in urban areas, so they end up just compounding the original problem.
As there are a finite number of people with disease it does not compound the original problem if you identify them. All it does is label the problem that previously was not defined well. People who had diabetes before and were undiagnosed were much more likely to show up in an ER with something bad than when they were insured, no matter how awful the insurance. Even if they showed up in extremis they could get some sort of care that would have some sort of coverage. The money is owed regardless of the 7K deductible if the patient is in the Unit with an MI.

The old system was past breaking because there were so many people showing up in ERs for care that should have occured in an office. ERs by default must order more tests, and do them in a place that costs more. Unisured people were showing up and clogging the system for things that should have been either prevented or handled in the office and ere unable to pay. After the advent of insurance at least some of this was paid for and didn't leave hospitals with the negative cash flow that comes with seeing patients and not getting paid.

The way the ACA system was set up everyone pays in- regardless of your health status. We are all working on dying from the minute we are born. Unless you have the grace to die outright you will be utilizing the healthcare system at some point. If you haven't paid in when you are healthy there is no way your premiums are going to cover what you will cost the system when you finally join it.

The load on ERs and Urgent Care Centers decreased for some measures- New England Journal of Medicine article- https://catalyst.nejm.org/health-insurance-ed-use/

I have said this numerous times before and I will say it again. All those 'healthy people' who don't want to waste their money on insurance they don't need are parasites on the system. If they get hurt they can sail into the ER, get their traumatic injury, MI, CVA, etc taken care of, languish in the hospital, rack up huge bills that bankrupt them, put their families at financial disadvantage and screw us all. When the hospital doesn't get paid we all see an increase in our bills to cover it. When the person is disabled and collect SSI The taxpayers pay. When the family needs to access all the social net- State health insurance, food stamps the taxpayers pay. When the family cannot keep their job and care for the person we all pay.

If you were willing to allow people to wear something that would exclude them from the system they refused to pay into then OK. But this isn't going to happen. Morally and ethically we are required to provide care to those who are willing to take the care without investing in it themselves. The BS about having rights is just that. You can only have rights if they don't infringe on other peoples and this infringes on everyone. //end rant.
 
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So this happened:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is disgusting <a href="https://t.co/pUk2CimNGs">https://t.co/pUk2CimNGs</a> <a href="https://t.co/CnGurRlBQ2">pic.twitter.com/CnGurRlBQ2</a></p>— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) <a href="https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/956649578035646464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Stay classy, Breitcuck.
 
leswp1 said:
OK. I will bite. You are completely off base here.
- prevention, that's accomplished through education, not forcing people to buy something- NO. Prevention is testing to see if a disease state has started.
-if the disease state is present then you initiate treatment at the earliest possible moment. For multiple diseases this can PREVENT serious sequelae from happening. Example- Type II Diabetes- if left untreated risk for cardiac event, stroke, etc increases 4 fold. If treated morbidity is sig decreased. Screening can identify if people are borderline diabetic and teatment can be instituted
- if the test is negative then you would continue to screen at prescribed intervals to make sure the person is disease free

Education is a piece of prevention. It does not take the place of prevention.

-Even if people do not take preventive steps they are covered in some way should an event happen. If you have an MI then 7K is pittance. You are talking >10K just to get out the door for a mild one. Serious can be >100K.

-Statistics show that people utilize the screening http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.30476/full This was reported on CNN but here is the link to the actual article in the Journal, Cancer, because I am sure you would be scared to be exposed to CNN lest it corrupt you. Here is another one from Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...helping-find-early-stage-cancer-idUSKBN157292

- I can say anecdotally when I was working the number of people we were able to see for physicals and who could get screening tests was increased exponentially. THe system did struggle to keep up but was righting itself until recently.

-And even if they do, the wait times end up being so high to even be seen, especially in urban areas, so they end up just compounding the original problem.
As there are a finite number of people with disease it does not compound the original problem if you identify them. All it does is label the problem that previously was not defined well. People who had diabetes before and were undiagnosed were much more likely to show up in an ER with something bad than when they were insured, no matter how awful the insurance. Even if they showed up in extremis they could get some sort of care that would have some sort of coverage. The money is owed regardless of the 7K deductible if the patient is in the Unit with an MI.

The old system was past breaking because there were so many people showing up in ERs for care that should have occured in an office. ERs by default must order more tests, and do them in a place that costs more. Unisured people were showing up and clogging the system for things that should have been either prevented or handled in the office and ere unable to pay. After the advent of insurance at least some of this was paid for and didn't leave hospitals with the negative cash flow that comes with seeing patients and not getting paid.

The way the ACA system was set up everyone pays in- regardless of your health status. We are all working on dying from the minute we are born. Unless you have the grace to die outright you will be utilizing the healthcare system at some point. If you haven't paid in when you are healthy there is no way your premiums are going to cover what you will cost the system when you finally join it.

The load on ERs and Urgent Care Centers decreased for some measures- New England Journal of Medicine article- https://catalyst.nejm.org/health-insurance-ed-use/

I have said this numerous times before and I will say it again. All those 'healthy people' who don't want to waste their money on insurance they don't need are parasites on the system. If they get hurt they can sail into the ER, get their traumatic injury, MI, CVA, etc taken care of, languish in the hospital, rack up huge bills that bankrupt them, put their families at financial disadvantage and screw us all. When the hospital doesn't get paid we all see an increase in our bills to cover it. When the person is disabled and collect SSI The taxpayers pay. When the family needs to access all the social net- State health insurance, food stamps the taxpayers pay. When the family cannot keep their job and care for the person we all pay.

If you were willing to allow people to wear something that would exclude them from the system they refused to pay into then OK. But this isn't going to happen. Morally and ethically we are required to provide care to those who are willing to take the care without investing in it themselves. The BS about having rights is just that. You can only have rights if they don't infringe on other peoples and this infringes on everyone. //end rant.
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One of the better posts I’ve seen on here.
 
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Flag always gets more than he bargains for when he tries to play armchair medical/insurance expert. Of course, we're talking about a guy who takes supplements pushed by Alex Jones, and is on record as being hostile towards legitimate pharmaceuticals, so...
 
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LOL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HANNITY at 9:15pm: "How many times has The New York times & others gotten it wrong?"<br><br>HANNITY at 9:55pm: "Yeah maybe Donald Trump wanted to fire the special counsel for conflict. Does he not have the right to raise those questions? You know, we'll deal with this tomorrow night." <a href="https://t.co/CKvYqsNwR1">pic.twitter.com/CKvYqsNwR1</a></p>— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/956727944893919237?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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We have always been at war with Eastasia!
 
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