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POTUS 45.25: Oh Jesus, What Now

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Handyman said:
Yeah your point was missed because it was misguided. There is a reason people with knowledge on the subject are telling you as such. I mean you can pretend otherwise but the facts don't back up the point you were making.

But yes a guy should be dismissed from being a trial judge if he knows nothing of trial law. Should someone be Surgeon General if they never had experience in medicine?
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Fair enough.i disagree, but that’s just my own opinion.
 
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidn...legally-turned?utm_term=.edEw6BLyB#.ayAOgzNYz

In a phone interview with BuzzFeed News on Saturday night, Loewentritt — whose LinkedIn represents that he has been at the agency since 1972 — disputed the claims made in the letter sent by the Trump campaign.

"Beckler never made that commitment," he said of the claim that any requests for transition records would be routed to the Trump campaign's counsel.

Specifically, Loewentritt said, "in using our devices," transition team members were informed that materials "would not be held back in any law enforcement" actions.

Loewentritt read to BuzzFeed News a series of agreements that anyone had to agree to when using GSA materials during the transition, including that there could be monitoring and auditing of devices and that, "Therefore, no expectation of privacy can be assumed."
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burd said:
Are you suggesting they did enough research to know this guy knew nothing about the job and therefore asked him these questions in order to embarrass him?

If not, then he must have gotten the standard questions.

If so, then they must do some level of research into the candidates they are asked to approve. If they know a candidate has a solid history as a trial judge, do you think they ask him what a motion in limine is? Of course not. Anyone who has sat through a single jury trial would know that.

I think you and I can assume they ask questions concerning matters about which they have concern. If a candidate appears unqualified, they want to know how unqualified. At least, I hope like hell they are doing that to protect me from having grossly unqualified judges administering the law in my district.

Once in a great while they probably uncover an embarrassingly unqualified candidate. Not just one they disagree with--one who is just thoroughly out of his or her water. We know now that can happen with the office of POTUS. Fortunately POTUS is not a lifetime appointment.
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On CNN last night they suggested Kennedy knew in adavance he wouldn’t know the answers. I don’t have any issue at all with him not getting approved, that wasn’t my point. The part I find distasteful is that Kennedy found it necessary to ridicule and humiliate someone who has been a civil servant for over 10 years.
 
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Interesting take: https://mobile.twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/942221228483469312

Trump appointed the top electronics/email lawyer at the GSA, but he died over the summer. But the Trump people thought he had removed away everything incriminating, so they went into interviews assuming that. But Mueller had everything the whole time, and now that they knew he died, they are ****ting bricks. You get an obstruction charge! You get an obstruction charge! Everybody get's an obstruction charge!!!
 
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Drew S. said:
Would they really be dumb enough to send incriminating things over government servers?
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So your argument is it cant be true because no one is that dumb? Seriously your arguments are weaker than your God King.

And btw Kennedy didnt set out to humiliate a civil servant...he set out to see if said civil servant was qualified for the high level job he was up for. To not do so would be dereliction of duty and way more offensive than asking the guy some basic questions anyone with better working knowledge of trial law than the average Law and Order fan would get. (and even THEY could probably answer it) If the guy cant handle answering the questions then dont accept the nomination for the job. And if you cant stand even dealing with these questions how the hell are you going to handle a federal trial?
 
Drew S. said:
On CNN last night they suggested Kennedy knew in adavance he wouldn’t know the answers. I don’t have any issue at all with him not getting approved, that wasn’t my point. The part I find distasteful is that Kennedy found it necessary to ridicule and humiliate someone who has been a civil servant for over 10 years.
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ROTFLMAO. Maybe he shouldn't have accepted the nomination for something he knew he wasn't qualified for? Naah, that couldn't be it.
 
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Drew S. said:
On CNN last night they suggested Kennedy knew in adavance he wouldn’t know the answers. I don’t have any issue at all with him not getting approved, that wasn’t my point. The part I find distasteful is that Kennedy found it necessary to ridicule and humiliate someone who has been a civil servant for over 10 years.
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So you are saying he was so ignorant of the basic functions of a trial judge that the mere act of asking questions amounted to ridicule? The guy is seeking a lifetime appointment to a federal judgeship, not best personality award of his 8th grade class. Where is Mr. Trump's responsibility in all this? He put him in that seat and was supposed to prepare him.
 
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burd said:
So you are saying he was so ignorant of the basic functions of a trial judge that the mere act of asking questions amounted to ridicule? The guy is seeking a lifetime appointment to a federal judgeship, not best personality award of his 8th grade class. Where is Mr. Trump's responsibility in all this? He put him in that seat and was supposed to prepare him.
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I've got a couple problems with it...If other candidates aren't asked those questions why should he have been asked them? And the second was that Kennedy kept it up. There was absolutely no need of that. Is it true that Kennedy actually voted to move him forward? I read that on twitter, but not sure if there was any truth in it or not.

How long would it take him to get up to speed on some of the things he was quizzed on? I would think that his ability to hear an argument and make a decision on it would translate well from his position at the FEC. For me that is the fundamental skill any judge needs. Is there a chance that maybe in a year or two he would have been setup to be a really good judge?

You think Trump is going to take time away from drinking diet coke and hate watching CNN to have much involvement in this? I highly doubt it. That isn't intended as a defense of Trump in anyway.
 
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Drew S. said:
How long would it take him to get up to speed on some of the things he was quizzed on? I would think that his ability to hear an argument and make a decision on it would translate well from his position at the FEC. For me that is the fundamental skill any judge needs. Is there a chance that maybe in a year or two he would have been setup to be a really good judge?
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That might make more sense if he were nominated for a Court of Appeals position, Drew, but I understand he was nominated for a District Court position. Big difference.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
With all due fairness to you as a person Drew, YOU actually represent a lot of what is wrong with politics today. You are why I have so little faith that the tailspin we are in won't stop until we auger into the ground.
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I actually agree with you on this. When I was younger I was very interested in both politics and government and as I got older, and especially when Obama got elected, I stopped paying attention. The last couple of years has certainly opened my eyes as it has done many others. We absolutely need people to get both more educated and involved if we're going to fix our problems.

I'd like to see a new middle of the road third party, but assuming that doesn't happen we need people to get much more involved in primaries. For me personally, I should be voting in dem primaries to hopefully get someone who is at a minimum intelligent and not corrupt, even if I might not agree with everything they represent ideologically.
 
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Drew S. said:
I actually agree with you on this. When I was younger I was very interested in both politics and government and as I got older, and especially when Obama got elected, I stopped paying attention. The last couple of years has certainly opened my eyes as it has done many others. We absolutely need people to get both more educated and involved if we're going to fix our problems.

I'd like to see a new middle of the road third party, but assuming that doesn't happen we need people to get much more involved in primaries. For me personally, I should be voting in dem primaries to hopefully get someone who is at a minimum intelligent and not corrupt, even if I might not agree with everything they represent ideologically.
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I don't understand this at all from you Drew. You say we need people to get both more educated and involved, and yet the very topic that has dominated many of the recent posts in this thread show that you have not even begun to educate yourself. Any law student should know answers that the District Judge nominee did not know, yet you claim he was "humiliated." How else is the public to know whether or not a nominee has the chops unless he demonstrates that in a public forum? It has also been noted there is a huge difference in the responsibilities and the skill set needed for District Court Judges than those of -- for instance -- an appellate court judge. Yet you seem to ignore that as well.

The sad fact is that people on the right and those who have been voting for republicans in the last generation or so need to take a long, hard and critical look at themselves and recognize that they are the problem here. The current incarnation of the republican party does not adhere to some sort of classical or romantic notion of being the party of restraint, free markets or small government. It is the party of the super rich and the white supremacists and nothing more. That's where everyday people who are on the "right" need to educate themselves first of all. Instead you are blinded by the notion that a republican who was nominated by a republican was humiliated by another republican when all that really happened was it was revealed that almost all of those republicans are woefully unqualified for jobs they were nominated or elected to do.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
I don't understand this at all from you Drew. You say we need people to get both more educated and involved, and yet the very topic that has dominated many of the recent posts in this thread show that you have not even begun to educate yourself. Any law student should know answers that the District Judge nominee did not know, yet you claim he was "humiliated." How else is the public to know whether or not a nominee has the chops unless he demonstrates that in a public forum? It has also been noted there is a huge difference in the responsibilities and the skill set needed for District Court Judges than those of -- for instance -- an appellate court judge. Yet you seem to ignore that as well.

The sad fact is that people on the right and those who have been voting for republicans in the last generation or so need to take a long, hard and critical look at themselves and recognize that they are the problem here. The current incarnation of the republican party does not adhere to some sort of classical or romantic notion of being the party of restraint, free markets or small government. It is the party of the super rich and the white supremacists and nothing more. That's where everyday people who are on the "right" need to educate themselves first of all. Instead you are blinded by the notion that a republican who was nominated by a republican was humiliated by another republican when all that really happened was it was revealed that almost all of those republicans are woefully unqualified for jobs they were nominated or elected to do.
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Are you contending he wasn't humiliated? I certainly would be if I was in his shoes. I don't have a JD or any legal background other than serving on a federal jury a long time ago, but I do know the ABA signed off on him. Doesn't that carry some significance? It's kind of hard for me to understand how you and burd(and I genuinely do respect both of you a lot and think you are extremely intelligent) can say the guy is a flunky and yet the ABA approves him. To be 100% clear, I really don't care if he gets approved or not, that wasn't what I had trouble with. If Kennedy had a problem with him he should have had a quiet word with someone and not pulled his little performance in front of the cameras. There is no need of that and the nominee didn't deserve it.

I couldn't agree more with your second paragraph. It is hard for me and others to accept but true. It really was a surreal experience a few weeks ago at 1:00 or so on a Saturday morning to see the senate voting on all that tax cut nonsense(along with other garbage throw in). It is hard to see right now how the party ever finds its way again, especially when you mix in the racists and morons.
 
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Drew S. said:
Are you contending he wasn't humiliated? I certainly would be if I was in his shoes. I don't have a JD or any legal background other than serving on a federal jury a long time ago, but I do know the ABA signed off on him. Doesn't that carry some significance? It's kind of hard for me to understand how you and burd(and I genuinely do respect both of you a lot and think you are extremely intelligent) can say the guy is a flunky and yet the ABA approves him. To be 100% clear, I really don't care if he gets approved or not, that wasn't what I had trouble with. If Kennedy had a problem with him he should have had a quiet word with someone and not pulled his little performance in front of the cameras. There is no need of that and the nominee didn't deserve it.
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Out of curiosity, what did the nominee deserve? The questions were basic, softball questions. If Kennedy knew that the nominee did not know the answers in advance, then I would posit that Kennedy had a duty to the American people to get that information in front of the body that would determine whether the guy would ultimately be nominated for a lifetime position.

As for the ABA, they made a mistake in approving this guy. He is clearly and unequivocally unqualified for the nominated position. As I asked before, would you take your car to a mechanic that did not know what an oil filter was, had never changed oil, and was unfamiliar with how an engine works?
 
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He deserved to be humiliated. Jesus. Why do people like drew think non qualified people should be doing every job under this administrarion
 
ScoobyDoo said:
ROTFLMAO. Maybe he shouldn't have accepted the nomination for something he knew he wasn't qualified for? Naah, that couldn't be it.
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I can’t wait til dump nominates Jared for surgeon general. Then drew will lose his mind after a republican senator dares ask Jared questions pertaining to medicine.
 
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Drew S. said:
On CNN last night they suggested Kennedy knew in adavance he wouldn’t know the answers. I don’t have any issue at all with him not getting approved, that wasn’t my point. The part I find distasteful is that Kennedy found it necessary to ridicule and humiliate someone who has been a civil servant for over 10 years.
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So when you interview for a job, and your prospective employer thinks you may not know the answers to certain questions pertaining to the job, he shouldn't pose them to you? Cause your widdle fee-fees might be hurt?

HTFU, little snowflake.
 
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