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POTUS 45.22 - The Genius of Donald Trump

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SJHovey said:
Having just read the indictment, it never ceases to amaze me how people think that you can just lie about what you've previously committed to in writing in an email. It is some sort of human disconnect that is made, a strange belief that because it's not actually down on paper (even though someone probably printed it) and that it goes into your electronic trash never to be seen again on your computer (even though your average 8th grader could probably retrieve it), that it can't be brought forward and handed to you as proof of your lie.
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Why does it amaze you? The people in that Administration flat out lie about stuff they said on camera the day before! (sometimes the sentence before when it comes to the Numbnuts in Chief) When you assume the attention span of the average voter and media type is the length of a sentence you dont think they will notice when you change your tune.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
I read today that trump could pardon manafort. I'd say no way would he do that, but he's not predictable.
He could also fire mueller.
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If he pulls either of those moves it will be rather interesting. In days past he would be in serious trouble (even with his own party controlling Congress) because they wouldnt want to deal with the fallout. (which will be bad) These days though if the GOP turns on him the Nazi Troll Army will riot. Rock meet hard place...

Now if the GOP had any integrity and brains they would let the Trolls split off and regain some of their sanity but since we know they will support clowns like Roy Moore as long as they vote for Tax Reform (man Jon Oliver roasted them for that) we know they wont even pretend to care.
 
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Rover said:
Some Trump loons I think would be stand up guys. Bannon for example would take his prison sentence ala G Gordon Liddy with no complaints as a sense of duty to a larger cause. People like Manafort are going to squeal like pigs once they start looking at serious time.
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(Sadly) I think it is probably the opposite. Bannon is a drunk buffoon that people swoon over for some reason because he's read the Art of War, just like every other ******* 8th grader out there. He's a complete charlatan. Manafort on the other hand.....look at the dudes he's running with over in Russia. That's the real deal.

Papadopoulous may be more likely to flip, and if he's already pleading guilty, maybe that means he is cooperating.
 
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MaizeRage said:
We'll see. These are serious charges and Manafort is going to be thrown under the bus by Trump et al. It will depend on if he wants to eat it all or decides to take some others down with him.
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Hasn't been thrown under the bus at all. In fact, he's noted the charges had nothing to do with the campaign, but rather blackmail bargains.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
I read today that trump could pardon manafort. I'd say no way would he do that, but he's not predictable.
He could also fire mueller.
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He can't directly fire Mueller, at least not legally. But he can fire Assistant AGs until he gets one that will fire Mueller for him. See, also, the Saturday Night Massacre.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Hasn't been thrown under the bus at all. In fact, he's noted the charges had nothing to do with the campaign, but rather blackmail bargains.
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Manafort's stooge has been in the White House all along (Rick Gates). So, sorry, no skating on this one.
 
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Someone forgot to tell Orangey to shut the **** up.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign. But why aren't Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus?????</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925005659569041409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">....Also, there is NO COLLUSION!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925006418989715456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Trump, ala Nixon, will fire Mueller if he gets too close. Like if Jared Kushner gets indicted which is probably coming. Chump won't wait for his own indictment that's for sure. If he does so and Dems regain House (which they probably would in that scenario) they will pretty quickly impeach him, while Trump then pressures the wusses in the GOP Senate caucus to save his fat arse. I'm guessing they would as in a closely divided Senate I find it hard to believe you'd find 15-20 Goopers to vote to convict even if there's videotape of Trump giving Putin cash payments to disrupt the election.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Hasn't been thrown under the bus at all. In fact, he's noted the charges had nothing to do with the campaign, but rather blackmail bargains.
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Given the timing of the conspiracy charge- being inclusive of Manafort being part of the campaign AND of Gates being part of the current administration, I'm not sure how one can conclude that this has nothing to do with the campaign.

The Laundering money charge does go into 2016, so that can also be part of the campaign. And the direction of where that money was used....

Finally, the FARA statements were post winning the election- so how that is outside of the campaign takes some dreaming. Especially since a lot of that is about meetings DURING the campaign, meetings which we all now know did happen, with the desire to get dirt on Secretary Clinton, and the source being Russian Agents. Thank you Papadopoulos for clarifying that.

One has to be really creative to pretend that this has nothing to do with the campaign.
 
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alfablue said:
Given the timing of the conspiracy charge- being inclusive of Manafort being part of the campaign AND of Gates being part of the current administration, I'm not sure how one can conclude that this has nothing to do with the campaign.

The Laundering money charge does go into 2016, so that can also be part of the campaign. And the direction of where that money was used....

Finally, the FARA statements were post winning the election- so how that is outside of the campaign takes some dreaming. Especially since a lot of that is about meetings DURING the campaign, meetings which we all now know did happen, with the desire to get dirt on Secretary Clinton, and the source being Russian Agents. Thank you Papadopoulos for clarifying that.

One has to be really creative to pretend that this has nothing to do with the campaign.
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Take a look at the actual indictment itself. The campaign is mentioned nowhere.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
We’re saying regulations need to be enacted because the entire medical industry has failed on this issue. They have failed to self-police. They have failed to remove narcotics as a first line protocol.
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I know there was a lot said but I just want to address a few points. First and foremost, I am 100% in agreement that opiates are over prescribed. Les has already correctly identified the main issue that caused this, which was the push to make pain a "vital sign." (which is wrong...vital signs need to be objective) The main problem now is that hospital reimbursement is tied to patient satisfaction, which is tied to pain scores. Imagine covering 50-60 patients, getting calls on half of them overnight that they are in 10/10 pain and tylenol does not work. This happens all the time on nearly every hospital service. This happens because patients have an expectation that they should be pain free (which is wrong), because nurses get in trouble with the admins if their pain scores are terrible (also wrong), and that doctors are too busy to go and talk to each patient to address their pain in a real way, it is easier and quicker to write an order inpatient to get them to shut up (also very wrong). Imagine being paged every 10 minutes for 28 hours straight about these issues and then you can get close to the mindset of a hospitalist on call.

Handyman said:
This times a thousand. It is a straw man to pretend we dont want opiodes prescribed at all, we just think it is ridiculous how they are prescribed for almost everything.
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It is a stawman to say that they are prescribed for almost everything. There are problem people and specialties and they should be addressed but I can tell you I have not written a single prescription for opiates in my outpatient clinic. It is not everyone. I am also of the new generation who was trained after the "pain is a vital sign bull****" so I have a much different outlook. It is somewhat of a punt, but if my patient's have chronic pain that I cannot control with meds that have strong evidence for (opiates do not have great evidence for chronic pain) then I send them to pain management. Most outpatient opiate scripts I write are hospital discharges to hospice.

Handyman said:
Look, you break your leg or ribs or something perfect ibuprofen wont be nearly enough give them something for the pain. But speaking as someone who has seen it first hand (and whose gf works with addiction every day) I can tell you that if we dont start regulating this better more states are going to be like Ohio (and other Red States) where they have already all but given up trying to stop the epidemic. They dont have enough room at the morgues for the bodies over the weekend and that isnt hyperbole...
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Speaking as someone who prescribes in Ohio...that is hyperbole. Ohio has one of the better programs right now to address this (from strictly a medical standpoint). We have the OAARS system where I can look up any opiate prescription(or benzos) on any patient to audit them. We are required to do this for any script over 7 days. If we live in a county next to another state we have to check that state as well. We have to document this audit in the medical record and if we don't, we can lose our state license. The restrictions are getting stricter as well (which I agree with). I now have to give my DEA number and audit for gabapentin scripts (non-opiate) because people are now ****ing abusing this for some **** reason.

I agree with increased regulation and agree with most of you all in principle, don't mistake me. But the real driver of this is using pain as a vital sign and the government reimbursing hospitals based on patient satisfaction.
 
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