POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem

[FlagDUDE08]

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I've been busy the last few weeks and haven't had a chance to post on here, but wanted to say the tax cut stuff completely baffles me. I was at a bank event today and they had an economist speak, he showed that the bank projects our annual deficit will go back up to around a trillion dollars and deficits will continue as far as the eye can see. I can't believe that this doesn't really seem to concern many people. At some point we are going to have massive, massive problems.

Probably because they believe the bank is assuming that gross income and overall productivity will remain at stagnant levels, with only the rates changing. Tax cuts across the board are being done for economic growth, which are meant to increase the two points assumed to remain stagnant.

I will say, though, that unless spending is reduced, we're not going to be lowering deficits anytime soon. And we also need to re-evaluate what's "mandatory" and what's "discretionary". The last time I saw information on that, anything Democrats favor was "mandatory" and anything Republicans favor was "discretionary".

 

[leswp1]

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You're exactly right, and Melania has as much right to "worry about them" as anyone, if not more. Would you bar alcoholics from speaking up at AA meetings because they're "part of the problem"? Good for her.
Don't kid yourself about Bill changing his ways either - if he's not philandering anymore it's only because the pills will no longer do the job. Having faults doesn't diminish his worth or wisdom.
edit: I guess my main concern here is that I disapprove of attacking family members. It seems pretty harmless to me if Melania wants to campaign against bullying or Michelle wants to grow some veggies - why politicize it? In fact, why can't everyone support it? There's no real reason for a divide on this stuff other than family name.

No, I wouldn't bar an alcoholic from speaking at an AA meeting but would I want him there cocked out of his mind waving a bottle in faces while telling people to be sober? no.

I really struggle with this one. She lives with a walking, talking audiovisual aid for bullying. What does she say with legitimacy? Don't tolerate it (she does), tell them to stop (she doesn't), Go tell someone in power- teacher, parent, other adult (the guy in ultimate power is the perp). Think before you speak (um, wellllll). I have asked this everywhere and I still don't get an swer- when you are parenting how do you handle the obviously deviant behaviour of the President? How do you handle the First Lady saying don't bully when she is an adult and tolerates the most public bully of our time?

I have nothing against our Mail Order First Lady. She cut a deal and when you think about what she had to endure as her part of the bargain she deserves all our sympathy.

She appears to be an utterly benign example of the genus Kept Ditz. She seems to be rock stupid but now you mention it I don't express myself very well in Slovene. She is, not to put too fine a point on it, an extremely successful prostitute, but so have been 95% of the wives of rich men since time began.

I don't take anything she has to say about anything seriously, but I don't think she deserves snark, either. She is what she is. She has to face the horror of her fat, ugly, disgusting, disloyal, insipid, pathetic husband every day -- we don't need to add a single pebble to the load she carries.

You don't give women much credit. What happened to the Sugar Daddy thing? That said, I think I would be violently ill if I had to submit myself to the little hands man. Even thinking of it makes me need Zofran. Ew. Uck. shudder. I hold by the opinion the relationship is abusive. Would eat my hat if there hasn't been physical violence.

 

[Kepler]

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You don't give women much credit.

On the contrary -- in most cases it sure beats work.

In this instance though... let's just say I don't begrudge her a single ruble.

I also assume Dump has slapped Melania around, and I assume being from Eastern Europe she's used to it. She didn't start out as a high priced call girl. She climbed the ladder like millions before her.

 

[Drew S.]

Probably because they believe the bank is assuming that gross income and overall productivity will remain at stagnant levels, with only the rates changing. Tax cuts across the board are being done for economic growth, which are meant to increase the two points assumed to remain stagnant.

I will say, though, that unless spending is reduced, we're not going to be lowering deficits anytime soon. And we also need to re-evaluate what's "mandatory" and what's "discretionary". The last time I saw information on that, anything Democrats favor was "mandatory" and anything Republicans favor was "discretionary".

I'd like to see spending reduced, but it's almost impossible in the short term and difficult in the long term. It's only going to make so much difference. None of us want to pay more in taxes, but it's better to do it now than have huge problems down the road.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'd like to see spending reduced, but it's almost impossible in the short term and difficult in the long term. It's only going to make so much difference. None of us want to pay more in taxes, but it's better to do it now than have huge problems down the road.

Just take all the entitlements away and leave the tax in there for us folks making less than a 115,000 a year. That'll put the wall up and finance the wars that we so desperately need and pay off the debt and the deficit. What does it matter if a few people die early because of it? That's the best part. It really is the only new idea that the GOP has had on Health Care. Die sooner, die quickly. However you want to phrase it.

It's all a win win. Budget balanced.

 

[rufus]

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I've been busy the last few weeks and haven't had a chance to post on here, but wanted to say the tax cut stuff completely baffles me. I was at a bank event today and they had an economist speak, he showed that the bank projects our annual deficit will go back up to around a trillion dollars and deficits will continue as far as the eye can see. I can't believe that this doesn't really seem to concern many people. At some point we are going to have massive, massive problems.

Republicans don't care about deficits. Never have. All they care about is tax cuts for the rich.

The sooner you quit enabling that behavior, the sooner we can get to actual solutions.

 

[geezer]

No, I wouldn't bar an alcoholic from speaking at an AA meeting but would I want him there cocked out of his mind waving a bottle in faces while telling people to be sober? no.

I really struggle with this one. She lives with a walking, talking audiovisual aid for bullying. What does she say with legitimacy? Don't tolerate it (she does), tell them to stop (she doesn't), Go tell someone in power- teacher, parent, other adult (the guy in ultimate power is the perp). Think before you speak (um, wellllll). I have asked this everywhere and I still don't get an swer- when you are parenting how do you handle the obviously deviant behaviour of the President? How do you handle the First Lady saying don't bully when she is an adult and tolerates the most public bully of our time?

So since you don’t approve of her private life (and I can’t blame you there) she doesn’t have the right to speak up? That doesn’t seem right either. She can make all the noises she wants to about bullying, and vegetables, and libraries, and fashion and it troubles me not the slightest. She’s not relevant to my opinions on anything but I welcome her efforts to make positive changes.

 

[alfablue]

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“When a working stiff demands a pay raise, it causes inflation and threatens the nation’s prosperity; when a C.E.O. gets a raise ten thousand times as large, it rewards enterprise and assures all our futures. The two phenomena, obviously, are totally separate. Only a fool or a journalist could confuse them.”

– John Cassidy

What's really funny about that statement is the justification that cutting the corporate rate by over 10% is going to result in everyone getting raises on average of $4000/year.

In my experience working, there's no way that if the corporate tax rate goes down, that anyone will get a raise. None. The people who benefit are the same ones who get the profits when the workers are NOT given record profit sharing when there are record profits.

Same thing can apply to "more jobs" because of lower taxes. That does not pass a simple logical economics test- you only need to add employees when demand for your product goes up. Otherwise, it's management's job to reduce the number of employees via various efficiencies.

If you want the average American to get $4000/year, directly lower their taxes by $4000/yr. Otherwise, all forms of "trickle down" have been shown to be totally uneffective. They have never worked, once.

 

[alfablue]

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I've been busy the last few weeks and haven't had a chance to post on here, but wanted to say the tax cut stuff completely baffles me. I was at a bank event today and they had an economist speak, he showed that the bank projects our annual deficit will go back up to around a trillion dollars and deficits will continue as far as the eye can see. I can't believe that this doesn't really seem to concern many people. At some point we are going to have massive, massive problems.

A lot of conservatives like you are bothered by the deficit and the debt.

Quick question- when was the last R President that had a balanced budget? I'd bet it happened prior to your legal vote counting.

Clinton balanced the budget, and ran a surplus. Obama started deep in the hole, but was reducing it every year. Bush totally lied to Congress about his budget by leaving out the wars we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we know that Reagan-Bush took a nominal deficit and exploded it to a massively high value.

Which brings up the follow up question- if the budget is so important to you, why do you vote for the party that is much farther from balancing the budget. Since you do it over and over again, expecting different results, one can make a logical conclusion that you are insane, since that's the very definition of it.

 

[rufus]

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Which brings up the follow up question- if the budget is so important to you, why do you vote for the party that is much farther from balancing the budget. Since you do it over and over again, expecting different results, one can make a logical conclusion that you are insane, since that's the very definition of it.

Cause Dems are gonna take his gunz!!!!!


Cause balanced budgets, or his right to own 150 firearms and thousands of rounds of ammo, we know which one wins out every.......single........time.

 

[Kepler]

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Cause Dems are gonna take his gunz!!!!!


Cause balanced budgets, or his right to own 150 firearms and thousands of rounds of ammo, we know which one wins out every.......single........time.

It's almost as if god, guns and gays are deliberate distractions so the Republican rank and file will vote to destroy themselves economically.

 

[leswp1]

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So since you don’t approve of her private life (and I can’t blame you there) she doesn’t have the right to speak up? That doesn’t seem right either. She can make all the noises she wants to about bullying, and vegetables, and libraries, and fashion and it troubles me not the slightest. She’s not relevant to my opinions on anything but I welcome her efforts to make positive changes.

She can speak up all she wants. That isn't my point. It is difficult to have a spokesperson who is a walking talking antithesis of what they are trying to promote. I would argue that it might make people take many of her points less seriously. I actually feel really bad for her and worse for their kid. How the hell do you raise a decent human being with that for a father? Anything that you try to teach for decency is immediately refuted.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

It's almost as if god, guns and gays are deliberate distractions so the Republican rank and file will vote to destroy themselves economically.

I feel like that was the premise of a book I read back in college!

 

[burd]

A lot of conservatives like you are bothered by the deficit and the debt.

Quick question- when was the last R President that had a balanced budget? I'd bet it happened prior to your legal vote counting.

Clinton balanced the budget, and ran a surplus. Obama started deep in the hole, but was reducing it every year. Bush totally lied to Congress about his budget by leaving out the wars we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we know that Reagan-Bush took a nominal deficit and exploded it to a massively high value.

Which brings up the follow up question- if the budget is so important to you, why do you vote for the party that is much farther from balancing the budget. Since you do it over and over again, expecting different results, one can make a logical conclusion that you are insane, since that's the very definition of it.

Waiting for our resident Rs to answer this one.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

A lot of conservatives like you are bothered by the deficit and the debt.

Quick question- when was the last R President that had a balanced budget? I'd bet it happened prior to your legal vote counting.

Clinton balanced the budget, and ran a surplus. Obama started deep in the hole, but was reducing it every year. Bush totally lied to Congress about his budget by leaving out the wars we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we know that Reagan-Bush took a nominal deficit and exploded it to a massively high value.

Which brings up the follow up question- if the budget is so important to you, why do you vote for the party that is much farther from balancing the budget. Since you do it over and over again, expecting different results, one can make a logical conclusion that you are insane, since that's the very definition of it.

Because if the tax cut for the 1% is ever big enough. Poof. Gone is the debt and the deficit.

 

[geezer]

I actually feel really bad for her and worse for their kid. How the hell do you raise a decent human being with that for a father? Anything that you try to teach for decency is immediately refuted.

I empathize too, but it’s not hopeless - I know someone very well who was abused for years by her father and became one of the best people I know, and probably the strongest. She pities her father but learned more from his bad example than most ever learn from a good one. Young Barron will come to realize the full import of his circumstances eventually, and may profit from the knowledge if he has the courage. Or he’ll just lock it away and try to follow the footsteps... he’s his own soul.

 

[joecct]

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Didn't Bill balance the budget with a GOP Congress with Newt in the driver's seat?

And BHO had a GOP House for 6/8 of his term, despite the efforts of Boehner and Missing Mitch.

So maybe it's a Dem Prez and a GOP Congress that is most effective??

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Jeff Flake, newly crowned hero of the people, votes to deny consumers ability to sue banks, credit card companies, and other financial institutions.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Maybe y'all were speaking the truth all along, and Alex Jones is in fact a Russian agent... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pCF8ERAVME

 

[alfablue]

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Didn't Bill balance the budget with a GOP Congress with Newt in the driver's seat?

And BHO had a GOP House for 6/8 of his term, despite the efforts of Boehner and Missing Mitch.

So maybe it's a Dem Prez and a GOP Congress that is most effective??

So you have it at least reduced down to the R President. Again, if it's really that important, why do you still vote for them?

It's funny that President Obama haters really got bothered by the whole "Hope" campaign, but they are 100% voting on the hope that their presidential vote does something an R president has not done for over 40 years. Duh. Again, displaying the pop definition of insanity.

R's are about hope and fear- fear that D's will take their guns, and hope that R's will actually look out for them. Neither of which have been true for a long time.