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POTUS 45.21 STAND for our great National Anthem

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Drew S. said:
There is no doubt that republicans are more at fault than democrats for what has gone wrong this century, but what are democrats trying to do right now to fix it? It seems like both parties have completely given up. That is the point I'm trying to make.
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Yeah, we know. Both parties are the same.


Maybe you should look a little deeper. Maybe then you'll find your answers, instead of whining on an intertne message board.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Well you can always switch to a bank that isn't actively engaging in scum-baggery or increasing the fees to pay for such conduct. I suppose if you have money tied up in CDs or a mortgage that might not be possible but to some extent you have a choice in this matter.

Also I used to think the hot coffee thing was a frivolous lawsuit but it was a little more complicated than that in the end.
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...and Alpha...I'm not saying make it harder to enact lawsuits. I just don't think we need to make it any easier. They serve a critical role today...and there's both hurdles and potential major payoffs in enacting a major lawsuit. Things are as they should be.
 
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unofan said:
Baloney. The claim for any one person is $50. No attorney is going to take that when it'll cost them a couple hundred in time and overhead at the absolute minimum.
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My point exactly.

Wells Fargo didn't harm me. They used me to look good to their shareholders, but they didn't harm me.

Now you want to use me too. You won't even let me in your office because I have no damages. But, if you can group me in with tens of thousands of other nameless suckers, then there is some coin in it for you. I won't see anything. Hey, maybe I'll get another voucher.

But I understand. You're out there saving the world from predatory corporations. I mean I'll keep getting ripped off, but hey at least you got paid.
 
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Drew S. said:
The bigger problem is the interest on the debt. Once you reach a certain level it is very hard to service. In a lot of ways we are in unchartered territory where our economy is so big.
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What interest?

5mn_Major said:
...and Alpha...I'm not saying make it harder to enact lawsuits. I just don't think we need to make it any easier. They serve a critical role today...and there's both hurdles and potential major payoffs in enacting a major lawsuit. Things are as they should be.
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Well they just made it harder (or impossible in this case) that's the point...
 
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unofan said:
Maybe because it wasn't about merely hot coffee, but coffee so hot and well above accepted industry standards, that she got third degree burns in less than 5 seconds.
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It wasn't even this. It was that the coffee was that hot and MANY people had been burned just as badly, and McDonalds completely ignored multiple orders to reduce the temperature to a safe level. That lady hit the jackpot simply by luck of timing. The court was not rewarding her, they were punishing McDonalds for their repeated and willful negligence.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jeff Flake, with an 18% approval rating in Arizona, said "a lot of my colleagues have spoken out." Really, they just gave me a standing O!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/923165619868131329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Well, that fantasy that some people clung to is over already. LOL.
 
SJHovey said:
My point exactly.

Wells Fargo didn't harm me. They used me to look good to their shareholders, but they didn't harm me.

Now you want to use me too. You won't even let me in your office because I have no damages. But, if you can group me in with tens of thousands of other nameless suckers, then there is some coin in it for you. I won't see anything. Hey, maybe I'll get another voucher.

But I understand. You're out there saving the world from predatory corporations. I mean I'll keep getting ripped off, but hey at least you got paid.
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I get paid a government salary, so I could not care less whether you personally feel ripped off by some attorney from your past.

But aggregating thousands of small claims into one class action is not a bug but the point. It's a way to hold businesses responsible for things that would otherwise not be corrected because it's not worth any one individual's time or money.
 
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unofan said:
No they're not. The Fed controls the overnight lending rate. Bond yields are set by the market.
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Ah ok fair enough thanks for clarifying that. IRT the debt though I still don't think this is some huge issue unless they go up considerably and even then there's ways to deal with that.
 
trixR4kids said:
Ah ok fair enough thanks for clarifying that. IRT the debt though I still don't think this is some huge issue unless they go up considerably and even then there's ways to deal with that.
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Well, a one percent increase in interest rates on a 10 trillion dollar debt is $100 billion/year, which as they say is real money.

Now not all of that will turn over at once, and if the U.S.was smart it'd issue a lot more 30-year notes to lock up these low rates, but just a return to historic norms would add a few hundred billion to the deficit.
 
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5mn_Major said:
...and Alpha...I'm not saying make it harder to enact lawsuits. I just don't think we need to make it any easier. They serve a critical role today...and there's both hurdles and potential major payoffs in enacting a major lawsuit. Things are as they should be.
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The new legislation didn't just make it harder, it make it legal for the defendant to disallow then all together. When the consumer has no real place to take their complaint other than the company chosen arbitrator, that's a bad thing. Especially for the minor things that add up to a huge and major thing in the context of the whole population.
 
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SJHovey said:
My point exactly.

Wells Fargo didn't harm me. They used me to look good to their shareholders, but they didn't harm me.

Now you want to use me too. You won't even let me in your office because I have no damages. But, if you can group me in with tens of thousands of other nameless suckers, then there is some coin in it for you. I won't see anything. Hey, maybe I'll get another voucher.

But I understand. You're out there saving the world from predatory corporations. I mean I'll keep getting ripped off, but hey at least you got paid.
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again, you are perfectly ok with fraud, then. As long as the personal scale is small enough, fraud is ok.

I can't fathom that idea.
 
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Drew S. said:
No objection from me at all on the first part. As I said to Alfa, I don't fault Obama for the recession spending and deficits that resulted. Once things were halfway decent again though he should have pushed for a budget that was at least close to breaking even.

There is no doubt that republicans are more at fault than democrats for what has gone wrong this century, but what are democrats trying to do right now to fix it? It seems like both parties have completely given up. That is the point I'm trying to make.
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Well, Obama was on a path to eliminate the deficit, but you and other people voted for "hope" and not for the reality that Clinton would have kept that going. Stop doing that, and accept that Democrats do understand spending and the economy. Evidence is pretty clear.

And right NOW, D's are against tax cuts that are clearly going to raise the deficit. They are not suggesting huge tax cuts for people who don't spend money, and then expanding the most expensive voluntary expense that we have (military).

All you are doing is dismissing D's words, and complaining that they are part of the problem. You may not like D policy, but at least they have some, and work toward it. R's have no ideas other than "anti-Obama", Tax cuts, and bigger military. If they had something real, we would have seen something by now- we are 10 months into this administration, with zero significant things done through congress.
 
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jerphisch said:
Did the annual deficit increase or decrease under Obama? Was it a small change or a significant one? Answer the question. While both lead to an increase in the debt, the amount of increase is not the same, stop pretending like it is.
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It severely increased when Democrats were in charge of legislation.
 
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unofan said:
Well, a one percent increase in interest rates on a 10 trillion dollar debt is $100 billion/year, which as they say is real money.

Now not all of that will turn over at once, and if the U.S.was smart it'd issue a lot more 30-year notes to lock up these low rates, but just a return to historic norms would add a few hundred billion to the deficit.
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I agree with you. The tricky part is it would likely increase costs in the short term. It's really a rock and a hard place situation.

Does the situation concern you very much?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jeff Flake, with an 18% approval rating in Arizona, said "a lot of my colleagues have spoken out." Really, they just gave me a standing O!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/923165619868131329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Well, that fantasy that some people clung to is over already. LOL.
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It makes me laugh that people like 5mn Major think flake is some courageous hero. It is easy to speak your mind when you are dying. The clown wasnt going to be re-elected so he quit. Some courage! Then he spoke his mind, but votes with El Presidente every chance he gets. He is Paul Ryan with terrible support by his citizens.

Well Ryan is worse as is anyone who pretends to respect women but supports Czar Urea.
 
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