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POTUS 45.20 - Doddering Dotards Dodging Detente

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Brenthoven said:
What if the belief is equal to someone like Trump?

Take into account all sensibility. Then take into account majority vote. Make a decision based on that.
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If you would trust Trump to make the best decisions, based on his beliefs, then you should vote for trump.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
If you would trust Trump to make the best decisions, based on his beliefs, then you should vote for trump.
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I don't trust Trump to make the best decisions period. His beliefs (or what he claims to be his beliefs) are even scarier.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Exactly. And that is why not to vote for him. That's why I didn't vote for him.
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So, he is not really speaking for the people that voted for him, IMO. He's doing him. Not cool, and not unexpected. And most of us know that Hill would have done what a career politician would have done, which we all don't like, so many didn't vote for her. It sucks.
 
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Brenthoven said:
So, he is not really speaking for the people that voted for him, IMO. He's doing him. Not cool, and not unexpected. And most of us know that Hill would have done what a career politician would have done, which we all don't like, so many didn't vote for her. It sucks.
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It sucks is spot on. IMO, anyone that is running for any major office is someone that cannot be trusted , in this day and age. We're left picking the least terrible candidate.
 
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Brenthoven said:
So, he is not really speaking for the people that voted for him, IMO. He's doing him. Not cool, and not unexpected. And most of us know that Hill would have done what a career politician would have done, which we all don't like, so many didn't vote for her. It sucks.
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One of my fears is that Trump will do what the people who voted for him wanted him to do. For a President, that is impossible, of course, because you cannot receive 48% of the vote and be accountable to a single constituency. But he was elected in large part because he motivated a LOT of very ignorant and dangerous people, and most of our lives (particularly those in the poorest, reddest states) will be worse off if he governs the way they wanted him to govern.

Our representatives are not glorified electoral college delegates. They must make decisions they feel are best for our country, even when those decisions differ from the majority of their constituents. There is a process in place to deal with those situations where representatives abuse that duty--it's called the next election. But if they are nothing more than a proxy for the majority view in their jurisdiction, then there is no need for debate on the issues or even presence in Washington.
 
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mookie1995 said:
Actively pushing for action?

So sitting on a couch telling someone what they should do? Or at an airport looking for flights?
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Plenty of people attempted to pass laws, increase awareness by education, went out en-mass to protest, wrote their elected officials, etc. I am not sure what else they could do?

bigblue_dl said:
It sucks is spot on. IMO, anyone that is running for any major office is someone that cannot be trusted , in this day and age. We're left picking the least terrible candidate.
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I think they have become so sophisticated in their ability to predict who will run and annihilate their character that even if someone was an angel they would look bad. I wasn't necessarily a fan of Hillary but if you fact checked what they were selling- from the time she was first lady- you would find that many of the things you believed about her would be wrong. You say something enough times and people begin to believe it is true. They have a whole algorithm that feeds on itself to spread what they want- start with the little blogs who quote each other until there are enough of them the bigger outlets quote it as fact. True for both sides. Many of the politician are real skanks but not all of them are horrible. A fair number of them start out wanting to make a difference except now, with the nutbags blackballing anyone who compromises, they can't
 
leswp1 said:
Plenty of people attempted to pass laws, increase awareness by education, went out en-mass to protest, wrote their elected officials, etc. I am not sure what else they could do?


I think they have become so sophisticated in their ability to predict who will run and annihilate their character that even if someone was an angel they would look bad. I wasn't necessarily a fan of Hillary but if you fact checked what they were selling- from the time she was first lady- you would find that many of the things you believed about her would be wrong. You say something enough times and people begin to believe it is true. They have a whole algorithm that feeds on itself to spread what they want- start with the little blogs who quote each other until there are enough of them the bigger outlets quote it as fact. True for both sides. Many of the politician are real skanks but not all of them are horrible. A fair number of them start out wanting to make a difference except now, with the nutbags blackballing anyone who compromises, they can't
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I completely agree with your second point. It discourages a lot of decent people and look what we are left with. Another problem is campaigns sending people to record everything the other candidate does. If I was rich and smart I certainly wouldn't want to deal with that nonsense.
 
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That criminal case is pretty thin...I doubt they would have been nailed for it. The second they settled the civil suit the Prosecution had almost no shot anyways.

My guess is the DA is going to get an ethics investigation of some sort. You need to hide this stuff better...
 
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I recommend the current season of American Horror Story, from the beginning. It's a very interesting take on the election and the psychology and the shock afterwards.
 
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Kepler said:
I recommend the current season of American Horror Story, from the beginning. It's a very interesting take on the election and the psychology and the shock afterwards.
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Heck, House Of Cards has been more realistic than the actual politics we have dealt with in the last year or so.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Heck, House Of Cards has been more realistic than the actual politics we have dealt with in the last year or so.
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Trump killed HoC for me. I still have not watched the final season. Fiction can't compete with reality.
 
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Tillerson was so disgusted by Trump he had to be talked out of resigning.

Tillerson stunned a handful of senior administration officials when he called the president a “moron” after a tense two-hour long meeting in a secure room at the Pentagon called "The Tank," according to three officials who were present or briefed on the incident. The July 20 meeting came a day after a meeting in the White House Situation Room on Afghanistan policy where Trump rattled his national security advisers by suggesting he might fire the top U.S. commander of the war and comparing the decision-making process on troop levels to the renovation of a high-end New York restaurant, according to participants in the meeting.

It is unclear whether Trump was told of Tillerson’s outburst after the Pentagon meeting or to what extent the president was briefed on Tillerson’s plan to resign earlier in the year.

Tillerson also has complained about being publicly undermined by the president on the administration’s foreign policy agenda, officials said.
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BassAle said:
how much longer do you think Rex Drillerson will stick it out as SoS?
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I assume he is still working on trade deals / embargoes / invasions that benefit Exxon. When those are safe he'll head back through the revolving door and collect his winnings.
 
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