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POTUS 45.2 - Same arguments, different sides

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The Sicatoka said:
... to incorrectly use a past participle or a gerund or other grammar atrocities.
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Mentioning that ...

" ... someone who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more."

Someone "who has done" versus someone "who did"? "Has done" is present perfect so I guess one could read that as something that started and continues today. "Who did" would refer to something purely historic. OK, there's a grammar problem there. Now I ask, how many English speakers make that mistake?

"is being recognized more and more" <-- Remember Mr. Trump was at an event opening a new museum celebrating MLK and Fredrick Douglas et al. So a new museum recognizing Mr. Douglas isn't Douglas being recognized "more and more"?

When I saw that Twitter-storm yesterday I guess I attributed it to the fact that not everyone (for sure not GWB, and not Trump) had a mother with an English degree. ;)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm strictly talking about patterns of behavior and not specific (in this case political) actions.

His pattern of behavior is that of a new CEO coming in to put things in the order he wants them --> full steam ahead; if you're not on-board you're in the way and will get run over.

If you've ever worked for a large company that's had a new CEO come in you know what I'm talking about.

And when you step back and look at the pattern of behavior, objectively, you'll see it.
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You are correct in the manner, but in the times that I've been in this kind of rash changes, I know more than you do, "lead or leave", etc mentalities, vs. the more thoughtful, listening, and understanding what's going on kind of changes- the former tend to lead to major down turns, the latter leads to success.

Trump is currently in the former. His actions are impulsive, and without input from experienced people. And telling is team- if you don't agree, either you are fired or go away. That kind of behavior is MASSIVELY risky. If you are wrong, you end up so wrong that before you know it, your market share has taken a 10 point dump, and your shares are worth barely a $1 after being $30.

Given don's history and the first two weeks, he's going to use the same bully tactics to get his way. But I don't see other country leaders taking that all too well. Smart ones will use that to their advantage. And if you think they can't- one should see how many times don has gone into bankruptcy- where he LOST big. It's a very high risk behavior, with very little extra to gain. It's also classic short term thinking, where the focus is so much more on shareholder value vs. long term success of the company- again, you may see short term gains, but the long term results are terrible.

Maybe we can finally get over the idea that we need to be run like a company. Businesses are not universally successful, so taking a "business" stance isn't the best way to run a country. Besides- as citizens, we can't quit and find a new company- we are stuck with this guy, and more importantly, he's stuck with us.

In other words, putting don like that, it makes me even MORE nervous for the future. Much more.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Trump ran against "normal", the business as usual Washington. He won. Don't be surprised when he's not ... normal. Like I said in a previous post, he's behaving like a new CEO hired to come in and fix a distressed company, not a normal DC politician.


It's hard to do, but step back and look at it objectively and you'll see it.
(Whether you like CEOs or that approach is surely a whole thread of its own.)
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Interesting that you equate being CEO, even of a very large multinational company, with being leader of the free world whose actions affect people and countries here and abroad (more than adding a soft drink to Coke's product line). And he's acting like an impulsive 12-year-old, confusing diplomats here and abroad and his own staff, apparently. Labeling this as simply a departure from the way things have been done in the past is convenient but blindly loyal, it seems to me.

With all due respect.
 
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Dodd Frank. Gone. Looking out for the little man, right?

This should help the little guy too.

Just minutes after the Senate confirmed Exxon-Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State yesterday, the House Republicans passed a resolution that would help big oil companies like Exxon secretly funnel money to dictators. In 2010, Rex Tillerson personally lobbied against the requirement for oil companies to disclose their payments to foreign governments specifically because it would undermine Exxon’s ability to do business with Russia. Now poof, it’s gone.
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From Elizabeth Warren's Facebook.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm strictly talking about patterns of behavior and not specific (in this case political) actions.

His pattern of behavior is that of a new CEO coming in to put things in the order he wants them --> full steam ahead; if you're not on-board you're in the way and will get run over.
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Yeah, when you have to add qualifications like ignore the actions, that kind of means the first part is BS trying to explain away things for the man you clearly adore.

If you ignore their targets, Chicago's gang members are really just like North Dakota hunters. You should recognize their patterns of behavior.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/...tsy-devos.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

I personally think she should be confirmed (DeVos) . The Democrats need a wake up call and every single one of the cabinet picks getting confirmed would be one way for that to happen. If she systematically destroys public education in the process all the more to finally wake people up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/...mp-uc-berkeley.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Well, the Congress should act and cut funding to UC Berkeley. That's what Trump wants.

http://www.startribune.com/ap-fact-check-conway-cites-massacre-that-didn-t-happened/412665383/

More lies from this administration.

Trump aide Kellyanne Conway cites 'Bowling Green massacre' that didn't happen
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ScoobyDoo said:
Dodd Frank. Gone. Looking out for the little man, right?

This should help the little guy too.



From Elizabeth Warren's Facebook.
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But wait a minute. My fellow lefties SWORE out here to me on these very pages that Dodd-Frank did nothing and there was no difference between Hillary and Trump on Wall St. regulation? Therefore, I expect to hear some cheers out of these same people, and you know who you are, now that Trump is rolling it back, no?
 
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Slap Shot said:
Let me rephrase. Maybe I was too easy on him but I think you all know how I feel about him in general so this is not a Sic/SJ moment.
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See, now this I find funny. Let me translate for everyone.

"Guys, I'm about to type something that doesn't fall in line with the shrieks of the Greek chorus of howler monkeys who can only post, 'LOOK WHAT HE DID TODAY?!?!?!', but you know I'm really like you so please don't throw me in with those North Dakota guys."
 
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Good, removing the "mentally ill" loophole as a back door for grabbing the guns.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Apparently not.
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Uhhh... Michael Savage was one of the first in media to promote Donald Trump. And given Savage's credo (Borders, Language, Culture) is what Trump had been professing throughout the campaign, I'd say he's staunch. The biggest difference is that he's not a cheerleader, and he will hold elected officials accountable regardless of campaign support.
 
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Drew S. said:
Don't think it has gotten through the senate yet. What should I get ;) In all seriousness, this was only a law for a few weeks. Lot of confusion out there about it though.
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How about a true AR-15? Confuse the heck out of them. :p
 
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