What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

Status
Not open for further replies.
joecct said:
IIRC Lincoln was in favor of Liberia, too.

And not standing during the anthem is against the law and, IMO, disrepectful.
Click to expand...

No, it is not against the law. The customary behavior is codified, but that doesn't mean that it's required. Obsessing over symbolism merely distracts from real patriotism.
 
Last edited:
joecct said:
IIRC Lincoln was in favor of Liberia, too.

And not standing during the anthem is against the law and, IMO, disrepectful.
Click to expand...

Lol




Btw, In every picture off kneeling players I've seen camera operators and photographers sitting or laying trying to get their shots of players. They aren't even looking at the flag. Why isn't anyone crying about them?
 
Last edited:
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/n...ine-School-Segregation-Lingers-447611693.html

--------

And the law says "should" with no penalties for not following. The person who signs your paycheck may choose to discipline, and you may be subject to persecution, but you can't be prosecuted.

And I try to honor everyone's opinion. I disagree with a lot of what you all post here, but I'll defend your right to say it. My family, though, is off limits.
 
joecct said:
... And not standing during the anthem is against the law and, IMO, disrepectful.
Click to expand...

GrinCDXX said:
No, it is not against the law. The customary behavior is codified, but that doesn't mean that it's required. Obsessing over symbolism merely distracts from real patriotism.
Click to expand...

Correct.

There is a US Code for how persons should act during the playing of the National Anthem , but it is not "illegal" as Joe incorrectly assumed.
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
Click to expand...

So Joe, if you're so bent out of shape about standing for the anthem (or the lack thereof), I ask that you respectfully dispose of any patriotic paper plates, napkins, shirts, and/or your "Stars and Stripes Speedo," as this violates the US Code regarding the conduct of use of the flag.
4 U.S. Code § 8 - Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
Click to expand...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/chapter-1
 
Last edited:
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

Also, per the US Flag Code, I respectfully request the NFL stop carrying the flag horizontally, that MLB stop placing the flag within their team logos, that every college dorm room is inspected and any American Flags found pinned to the ceiling covering the light fixture be removed, and every one of those goddammed hillbillies that thought it was cute to hang their US flags upside down during Obama's presidency have their American Flags removed from their posession.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

Didn't Joe make the same claim not long ago and someone debunked it?
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

joecct said:
IIRC Lincoln was in favor of Liberia, too.

And not standing during the anthem is against the law and, IMO, disrepectful.
Click to expand...

Further proof that Kepler is wrong about you...
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

joecct said:
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/n...ine-School-Segregation-Lingers-447611693.html

--------

And the law says "should" with no penalties for not following. The person who signs your paycheck may choose to discipline, and you may be subject to persecution, but you can't be prosecuted.

And I try to honor everyone's opinion. I disagree with a lot of what you all post here, but I'll defend your right to say it. My family, though, is off limits.
Click to expand...

The person who signs their paychecks said hey are fine. (in fact multiple teams said so publicly as did the NFL) Want to try another false premise to make your point that is completely and totally wrong?
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

Handyman said:
The person who signs their paychecks said hey are fine. (in fact multiple teams said so publicly as did the NFL) Want to try another false premise to make your point that is completely and totally wrong?
Click to expand...

NASCAR and before a few hours ago, one would have thought Jerry Jones.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

rufus said:
Technically, the US is still at war with North Korea. Has been since 1953.
Click to expand...

Technically incorrect. Congress never declared a state of war with North Korea. The US entered the conflict via a resolution by the UN Security Council.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

joecct said:
IIRC Lincoln was in favor of Liberia, too.

And not standing during the anthem is against the law and, IMO, disrepectful.
Click to expand...

God can you be a fvcking idiot when you try... or maybe you are all the time, I don't know. One of the bullet points out of the white supremacy handbook by the way is to remind us that -- GASP -- Abraham Lincoln sometimes had mid 19th century views about race and what might be the best of a bunch of bad options during and after the Civil War. It's a tired analogy and has been for about a century and a half. It does not mean anything like you wished it meant.

To remind you, again, the flag codes are NOT LAWS in the way you so stupidly refer to them. They do not COMPEL behavior or actions and they do not allow for sanction of any kind to someone who does not do what is SUGGESTED. Next time you get stopped for plowing through a red light or caught exercising a five-fingered discount, explain to the cop you didn't think you were compelled to behave a certain way or knew of any penalties for doing what you did and see how far that gets you.
 
Re: POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

Slap Shot said:
Because AP's issue happened several years ago. Come on you're better than this.
Click to expand...

Sorry I totally missed this. Time flies, I thought AP's issue was far more recent. But regardless, you could sub AP for IDK how many players because at least one of them does something stupid every year and the point still stands.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top