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POTUS 45.19: Being Douced by Irma makes me sad!!

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I would say the base is anti Washington and elected the GOP Congress to do a whole bunch of things which, it turns out, they are unwilling or incapable of.

Trump promised to "clean up the swamp." He is in danger of being sucked in by the quicksand.
 
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joecct said:
I would say the base is anti Washington and elected the GOP Congress to do a whole bunch of things which, it turns out, they are unwilling or incapable of.

Trump promised to "clean up the swamp." He is in danger of being sucked in by the quicksand.
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He failed to clean the swamp for the same reason I never learned to play the piano: I never intended to.
 
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French Rage said:
He failed to clean the swamp for the same reason I never learned to play the piano: I never intended to.
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...or at very least his definition of the swamp wasn't thoroughly thought out.

Wouldn't be surprised if this high 30s percent popularity was a lowish water mark for awhile. And if he keeps working with Dems, his popularity starts to creep up. The country is 55% percent (or more) left leaning. And by working with the Dems, independents will start to give him some credit. In most scenarios, damage to his base will not outweigh gains in the center and in some cases left from here. A trend that could have implications for the next election.

But there's always wildcards Russia and NK.
 
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The electoral college isn't the problem. Not knowing how to accurately connect to "middle America" is the problem.

The electoral college did it's job. It doesn't allow five populous metro centers to dictate the elections. If that was true, politicians would stump in the NY Burroughs, LA, Cook County, and call it a day.

What I want to know is how did Mrs. "Spent two decades in Arkansas, and less then a decade as a NY Elite," completely swing and miss allowing a true 100% NY Elite masquerade as a redneck hick?
 
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aparch said:
The electoral college isn't the problem. Not knowing how to accurately connect to "middle America" is the problem.

The electoral college did it's job. It doesn't allow five populous metro centers to dictate the elections. If that was true, politicians would stump in the NY Burroughs, LA, Cook County, and call it a day.

What I want to know is how did Mrs. "Spent two decades in Arkansas, and less then a decade as a NY Elite," completely swing and miss allowing a true 100% NY Elite masquerade as a redneck hick?
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Too funny.

How? That's easy. She's a woman.
 
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The electoral college isn't the problem if you're referring to Hillary losing or whatever. It's ****ing stupid that it exists though and that's a problem.
 
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aparch said:
The electoral college did it's job. It doesn't allow five populous metro centers to dictate the elections. If that was true, politicians would stump in the NY Burroughs, LA, Cook County, and call it a day.
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As a resident out in the sticks, the prospect of being ignored by presidential candidates and their television ads certainly adds at least an element of appeal to eliminating the electoral college.
 
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aparch said:
The electoral college isn't the problem. Not knowing how to accurately connect to "middle America" is the problem.

The electoral college did it's job.
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Connecting is a piece, but yes our method of electing our government is still a problem. In 2016:

Yes Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election, with 2012 loser Romney getting a higher percentage of voters than did Trump.
Also Dems got 54% of votes for US Senate - but 46% of Senators
And Dems got 48% (vs. 49% for the GOP) of votes for the US House - but ended up with 47 less seats.

Connecting better or not...if results matched votes, we would have almost a full reversal of party power.
 
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aparch said:
The electoral college isn't the problem. Not knowing how to accurately connect to "middle America" is the problem.

The electoral college did it's job. It doesn't allow five populous metro centers to dictate the elections. If that was true, politicians would stump in the NY Burroughs, LA, Cook County, and call it a day.
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No republican would ever win if all they did was campaign in NY, LA and Cook County. The electoral college might be a decent idea in theory, but when California has 66 times as many people (not all live in the big city by the way) as Wyoming but only 18 times as many electoral votes, a vote in Wyoming ends up being worth more than 3 times as much as on in California. And the fact already is that much of America is flyover country when it comes to presidential campaigns. The electoral college has to go.

You are correct though about the need to connect to middle America.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
No republican would ever win if all they did was campaign in NY, LA and Cook County. The electoral college might be a decent idea in theory, but when California has 66 times as many people (not all live in the big city by the way) as Wyoming but only 18 times as many electoral votes, a vote in Wyoming ends up being worth more than 3 times as much as on in California. And the fact already is that much of America is flyover country when it comes to presidential campaigns. The electoral college has to go.

You are correct though about the need to connect to middle America.
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We are far less represented now than at any other time in our nation's history. Historically, once a certain ratio was hit, we'd add reps even when not adding new states. We need to look at expanding the House, and these things will move back towards a balance, though it will never be completely balanced. And that's by design.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Has anyone else watched the Party Conventions through the years? I have. At the Republican convention for the 2004 election they handed out mini-flip-flops to every attendee. And then they would all chant flip-flop flip-flop about John Kerry.

At last years convention we had the "Lock Her Up" chants.

Neither of those things can/would be done by the Democrats.

It's 4D chess. If Trump were John Kerry or Hillary Clinton it would be a flip flop.
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It's not 4D chess. Trumpy isn't capable of playing 1D chess.

What it is, is the general reluctance, nay, the general refusal, for Republicans to call out any of their own for their hypocrisy or misdoings. Hell, David Vitter could dress in a diaper and suckle from a hoo-ah's ***, and they didn't say a word. In fact, they re-elected him.
 
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St. Clown said:
We are far less represented now than at any other time in our nation's history. Historically, once a certain ratio was hit, we'd add reps even when not adding new states. We need to look at expanding the House, and these things will move back towards a balance, though it will never be completely balanced. And that's by design.
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Yup. Haven't we been at 435 members of the House for 100 years or so? There are three times as many of us now as then.
 
5mn_Major said:
Connecting is a piece, but yes our method of electing our government is still a problem. In 2016:

Yes Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election, with 2012 loser Romney getting a higher percentage of voters than did Trump.
Also Dems got 54% of votes for US Senate - but 46% of Senators
And Dems got 48% (vs. 49% for the GOP) of votes for the US House - but ended up with 47 less seats.

Connecting better or not...if results matched votes, we would have almost a full reversal of party power.
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It's not a national election for the Federal government. It's 50/51 separate contests for President, 33/34 at one time for the Senate and 438 for the House. Using national vote figures is a misuse of sadistics.

If you want proportional representation like they have in some other countries, be prepared for the Silly Party and other fringe groups in the legislature.
 
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joecct said:
It's not a national election for the Federal government. It's 50/51 separate contests for President, 33/34 at one time for the Senate and 438 for the House. Using national vote figures is a misuse of sadistics.

If you want proportional representation like they have in some other countries, be prepared for the Silly Party and other fringe groups in the legislature.
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Not so sure about that. Don't think I need to remind anyone that the GOP has won the national vote in only one presidential election in almost 3 decades - Bush's re election which likely would not have happened had he not been elected on a minority of vote in 2000. Its an issue closer to home as well.

Minnesota House of Reps votes every two years. The vote in the last election was almost a dead heat 50.3 for the GOP to 49.1 for the Dems. Yet the GOP ended up with 76 seats vs. 57 for the Dems.

No its not a straight up election for president or other government representation. But when the vote goes the opposite way of the majority frequently...it appears there could well be a problem.
 
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No Korea launches another over Japan, did we shoot it down?
 
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