POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

No need to "contract" out the paperwork- just absorb the people doing the real work into the government system. But the problem with that is you "nationalize" a profitable industry. Even if they are just money launders, and that's all they do.



One thing that will stop are dumb denials of payment. Which just cycles workers who do nothing.

Just as important- instead of the goal of making as much money for shareholders, the people doing the healthcare system will be more motivated to keep people healthy- to minimize output. Priorities change. This may not be more specifically more efficient, but it probably would churn less.

It's funny when people talk about Canada- as if they are an example of how bad a single payer system can be. Our system has huge delays in service, too. And many people struggle to get timely service, too. Every complaint Canada have, we have too- many times far more of it. But there's another thread for this discussion.

All of what you post is true. Also- why is it the same people who want to brag about how incredible a country we are are quick to say we are stupid when it comes to being able to solve the issues other countries have.

The difference b/w Canada and here is the delays are across the board up there and based on need. You may need gall bladder surgery but if it isn't urgent you will wait. Here you may not get it because if it isn't urgent and you can't pay, you are denied, period.

Here it is income dependent and insurance dependent. Not just delays but outright denials for treatment that everyone agrees is necessary but the person can't afford. Meds, tests, procedures. It is all denied unless it would be immediately life threatening. If you need chemo too bad. Have a car accident, try to bleed out- OK for now but you are now bankrupt and your family will have to sell their souls to further treatment as soon as you can be discharged.

 

[bronconick]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

PR executives connected to Manafort got subpoenad today if you're wondering why the pardon and ban occurred today.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Dont worry as soon as Faux has something certain posters here will...

Along with the transgender ban. Trump is such a *****.

 

[Drew S.]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Someone, anyone, defend the Arpaio pardoning.

I really don't think its a big deal. Does it effect anyone other than the sheriff? It did seem like there were a lot of politics involved in the prosecution. Were any legal immigrants held? If that was the case I would have more of a problem with it.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

I really don't think its a big deal. Does it effect anyone other than the sheriff? It did seem like there were a lot of politics involved in the prosecution. Were any legal immigrants held? If that was the case I would have more of a problem with it.

And there it is.

Arpaio should've been forced to be in his own tent camps.

 

[Drew S.]

And there it is.

Arpaio should've been forced to be in his own tent camps.

Were they here legally?

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Were they here legally?

Does that matter? Actually, you admitted facts don't matter a couple days ago, so I don't don't why you're held up on if they were illegal or not. He was told to stop targeting them. And his giant racial profiling campaign meant that violent and sexual crimes went uninvestigated. He's going to cost tax payers at least $115 million, another "government waste" that you hate. Most of all, he didn't even help. Illegal immigration actually exceeded the national average in Arizona and only went down because of the recession.

But a white supremacist sympathizer pardoning a racist seems to be right in line with what R's stand for these days.

Oh, and on top of this, he did this while people in Texas are being told to write their **** social security number on their body to identify them. At least he's letting people know he's at Camp David to tweet about the wind speed!

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

PR executives connected to Manafort got subpoenad today if you're wondering why the pardon and ban occurred today.

I'm not wondering at all. The hilarious part is that Dump still thinks he can squeeze this stuff out the door on Friday after 5 PM on the eve of a major natural disaster, and the media won't notice it and make sure we all know about it.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I'm not wondering at all. The hilarious part is that Dump still thinks he can squeeze this stuff out the door on Friday after 5 PM on the eve of a major natural disaster, and the media won't notice it and make sure we all know about it.

It's all fake news after 5 on a Friday duh.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Were they here legally?

At what point do you consider the law might be important? The courts told him to stop, he thumbed his nose at the court- acknowledged he was doing what they said not to and did it anyway and then got a pass. Seems to me this is not the way a real judicial system should work. He was clear that he knew he was going against a court order.

Do you really feel OK with a Sheriff, sworn to uphold the law, saying, 'screw you, I will do what I want!' to the court? If so I find that exceedingly scary. I translate that into each law enforcement person deciding they have a fiefdom with their own rules, independent from the law. I may not agree with every law passed but it scares the hell out of me that we have a Pesident that has no respect for the courts, the judicial system and there was no effort made to even justify things legally. Nope. He seems like a good person so he's all good. (Considering the moral compass of the Cheeto in Chief, Charles Manson should be pardoned next)

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

So Congressman, what are you and your Republican colleagues going to do about it?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arpaio was convicted of defying court order to stop violating <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/4thAmendment?src=hash">#4thAmendment</a>. It's a pardon of a govt official who ignored Bill of Rights.</p>— Justin Amash (@justinamash) <a href="https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/901252486937403394">August 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Someone, anyone, defend the Arpaio pardoning.

No. There was a good op-ed piece in the Star Tribune today (MPLS paper) saying the pardon could actually be an impeachable offense. There's one more piece to getting rid of Trump.

 

[Drew S.]

At what point do you consider the law might be important? The courts told him to stop, he thumbed his nose at the court- acknowledged he was doing what they said not to and did it anyway and then got a pass. Seems to me this is not the way a real judicial system should work. He was clear that he knew he was going against a court order.

Do you really feel OK with a Sheriff, sworn to uphold the law, saying, 'screw you, I will do what I want!' to the court? If so I find that exceedingly scary. I translate that into each law enforcement person deciding they have a fiefdom with their own rules, independent from the law. I may not agree with every law passed but it scares the hell out of me that we have a Pesident that has no respect for the courts, the judicial system and there was no effort made to even justify things legally. Nope. He seems like a good person so he's all good. (Considering the moral compass of the Cheeto in Chief, Charles Manson should be pardoned next)

Isn't there a difference between going after people who were here legally versus illegally? If the courts told him not to go after rapists and murderers should be have obeyed that too? I guess I don't understand how a court can tell a law enforcement officer to just disregard the law.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Isn't there a difference between going after people who were here legally versus illegally? If the courts told him not to go after rapists and murderers should be have obeyed that too? I guess I don't understand how a court can tell a law enforcement officer to just disregard the law.

So in your eyes police officers are immune from any laws or the constitution.

You don't realize that his big crackdown on illegals meant that he had to have been profiling Hispanics, no matter their immigration status? Unless you support profiling, I don't know how you could support Arpaio or the pardon.

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Isn't there a difference between going after people who were here legally versus illegally? If the courts told him not to go after rapists and murderers should be have obeyed that too? I guess I don't understand how a court can tell a law enforcement officer to just disregard the law.

Maybe you can agree with him that what he was doing would decrease the illegals but how much collateral damage was occurring? That really isn't the point. The court judged him on whether what he was doing was legal. They said it wasn't. He admitted he knew it wasn't but said too bad, he was going to do it anyway because he thought it would get the result he wanted. When you start deciding someone only needs to follow the law for something you care about, or it is OK because he is achieving what you want there is no point to having the law.

The thing to realize is that there was no legal reason given for the pardon (probably better that way because there are no grounds legally as far as I can see)

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Maybe you can agree with him that what he was doing would decrease the illegals but how much collateral damage was occurring? That really isn't the point. The court judged him on whether what he was doing was legal. They said it wasn't. He admitted he knew it wasn't but said too bad, he was going to do it anyway because he thought it would get the result he wanted. When you start deciding someone only needs to follow the law for something you care about there is no point to having the law.

Agreed. Now, if the court said, "Ok, go ahead, you can continue." I'd side with that. This was FEDERAL, though. That's a BIG no-no to defy a federal judge (not saying that defying any judge is good, but you really don't want to mess with a federal judge).

 

[leswp1]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Agreed. Now, if the court said, "Ok, go ahead, you can continue." I'd side with that. This was FEDERAL, though. That's a BIG no-no to defy a federal judge (not saying that defying any judge is good, but you really don't want to mess with a federal judge).

This boy is right up the Cheeto in Chief's alley- screw the law, screw ethics, screw your oath. Show everyone your pee pee is bigger than theirs and they will be impressed.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Isn't there a difference between going after people who were here legally versus illegally? If the courts told him not to go after rapists and murderers should be have obeyed that too? I guess I don't understand how a court can tell a law enforcement officer to just disregard the law.

He wasn't told to disregard the law. He was told to stop instructing his department to deliberately target people who merely "looked Latino" and demand to see their documentation, without probable cause that they had actually committed a crime. "Looking" Latino is not sufficient cause for stopping someone to demand proof that they're in the country legally. It has to happen as part of a legitimate stop, such as a moving violation.

 

[The Rube]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

He wasn't told to disregard the law. He was told to stop instructing his department to deliberately target people who merely "looked Latino" and demand to see their documentation, without probable cause that they had actually committed a crime. "Looking" Latino is not sufficient cause for stopping someone to demand proof that they're in the country legally. It has to happen as part of a legitimate stop, such as a moving violation.

And as ANY cop will tell you, you can easily find some sort of violation to pull a car over. Any violation. Heck, an air freshener hanging from your rear-view mirror is a violation. However, this guy didn't even try to hide what he was doing.

 

[jerphisch]

Re: POTUS 45.18 - Who Run Derpertown? McMasterBlaster Run Derpertown.

Isn't there a difference between going after people who were here legally versus illegally? If the courts told him not to go after rapists and murderers should be have obeyed that too? I guess I don't understand how a court can tell a law enforcement officer to just disregard the law.

Lets say there is a difference. The question is are you too stupid to understand that racial profiling has an impact on US citizens, or too racist to care so long as they are brown?