POTUS 45.17 - Section 4 of Amendment 25

[Rover]

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Do not EVER lump me in with neo-Nazi apologists. I will defend their right to peaceful free speech, and that's it. Period. I am quite bothered by your label, and take great offense.

Brent, too bad. Me thinks you protest too much. You've gone beyond false equivalency and into outright advocacy. That may not have been your intention, but you need to examine that, not me. I don't know you personally of course, but your on-line persona out here is one of sympathy and making excuses for some of the worst people this nation has to offer. Why you take pleasure in doing that is again only something you (as well as Drew, Sic, etc) can answer.

Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid. Poll after poll shows most Republicans are supportive of Trump's actions here, and I'll bet they're supportive of the white supremacists as well although probably wouldn't admit that in a poll. Its high time for people to give up any doubt on this issue. Almost all GOP voters are either 1) white supremacists, or 2) are willing to tolerate white supremacists no questions asked as long as it helps them achieve their own policy goals. How many more people have to be shot in churches or run over while protesting before this is clear?

 

[Handyman]

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Um, I am of the belief that the statues were simply about racism, and many on here said that was mostly wrong. That the statues were about the Confederacy and being a traitor.

They are about both. That is the beautiful thing about the real world things have multiple meanings. These are racist icons and are symbols of a bunch of traitors. (many of whom where...wait for it...RACISTS!!) This isnt rocket science.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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America’s horrible president

 

[aparch]

Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid. Poll after poll shows most Republicans are supportive of Trump's actions here, and I'll bet they're supportive of the white supremacists as well although probably wouldn't admit that in a poll. Its high time for people to give up any doubt on this issue. Almost all GOP voters are either 1) white supremacists, or 2) are willing to tolerate white supremacists no questions asked as long as it helps them achieve their own policy goals.

Yes, this. The DNC needs to be pushing this, pushing it hard. The Republican Party is sympathetic to the Nazi-esque ideals. There are Nazi flag waving people that Trump has called "very fine people."

Every D candidate needs to jump aboard this campaign. "Who do you support, the American flag and Democrats or the Nazi flag and Republicans?"


Worst case, everyone is 100% sure about where the Republican party lies after 2018.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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trump is a number of things: Racist. Mentally ill. Pathological liar. Stupid. The last one is what worries me most.

While tepid, more and more republicans are finding reasons to speak out against him and even occasionally condemn his words. But since trump is stupid, he doubles down on the stupid things. This will lead to more republicans feeling safe enough to condemn him. And Robert Mueller has not abandoned his investigation. The walls are probably closing in on trump. And that's where his stupidity worries me most.

If the time comes where it is no longer tenable for him to remain in office, does anyone think he is going to go easily? One would hope that somewhere deep inside, enough people in enough positions of power will be able to do what is best for our constitution. The jury is still out on that though. But if trump is forced to leave, before he goes, I could see him doing something incredibly stupid, like urging his mouth breathing supporters to take up arms to protect his seat in the Oval Office. In fact I am convinced that would happen. And while no match for a military that would be called into action by those left in charge, the damage they would do would be unlike anything we've seen in this country since the Civil War.

trump is stupid. Stupid enough to try this. It would be nice if enough of those so-called patriotic republicans in D.C. right now would find a way to get rid of trump before those who would take up arms to protect him from ouster get any more organized.

 

[Drew S.]

Brent, too bad. Me thinks you protest too much. You've gone beyond false equivalency and into outright advocacy. That may not have been your intention, but you need to examine that, not me. I don't know you personally of course, but your on-line persona out here is one of sympathy and making excuses for some of the worst people this nation has to offer. Why you take pleasure in doing that is again only something you (as well as Drew, Sic, etc) can answer.

Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid. Poll after poll shows most Republicans are supportive of Trump's actions here, and I'll bet they're supportive of the white supremacists as well although probably wouldn't admit that in a poll. Its high time for people to give up any doubt on this issue. Almost all GOP voters are either 1) white supremacists, or 2) are willing to tolerate white supremacists no questions asked as long as it helps them achieve their own policy goals. How many more people have to be shot in churches or run over while protesting before this is clear?

I don't understand how if you dislike extremists on both sides that means you align with those on the right. I'd add that by saying you don't care for either it's not the same as saying they are both equal in any way. That's something those on the left are making up.

 

[French Rage]

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trump is a number of things: Racist. Mentally ill. Pathological liar. Stupid.

"...but he is NOT a porn star."

 

[Rover]

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I don't understand how if you dislike extremists on both sides that means you align with those on the right. I'd add that by saying you don't care for either it's not the same as saying they are both equal in any way. That's something those on the left are making up.

I'll play along. In the wake of the Charlottesville incident, where a white supremacist ran over a peaceful protestor (there's no evidence the woman is question was doing anything violent in any way), coming out and saying you denounce extremism on both sides give cover to the white supremacists. That somehow a left winger committed an equal act of violence, so everybody's bad. That's why you and Trump and anybody else taking this position is getting blasted although I don't recall you saying there are good people too on both sides, implying that there are good neo-Nazis something I never thought I'd hear a President say in my lifetime.

You'd get the same reaction in the wake of the Dylan Root mass murder, where if you said "yeah I denounce that as well as any black on black violence in Chicago". Pairing that together = giving cover to the criminal in that particular incident.

 

[St. Clown]

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But I was told it was about the Confederacy, and racism was a minute factor in the statues?

What do Neo Nazis care about the Confederacy...I will hang up and listen.

You can try and dress it up however you like...the facts dont support your thesis man.

No, racism was definetly alive and well in 1916. Pretty sure this was a "gentle" reminder to any "darkies" traveling through Montana that a large group of "good ole boys" lived in the area.

And don't forget Oregon (territory from 1848 to 1859, statehood after) was a racist utopia while going under the guise of a "free state" during the Civil War.




Also, when the 15th Amendment (prohibits the federal and state governments from denying a citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude") was ratified in 1870, Oregon, along with seven other states refused to approve of the amendment. It passed (obviously) without their approval. But Oregon finally caved to formally ratifying the amendment in... 1959.
(It wasn't the last hold out from officially recognizing black men as equals; that would go to: California 1962,
Maryland 1973, Kentucky 1976, and Tennessee 1997. )





And if through all this, you still think the Daughters of the Confederacy is a cutesy way of honoring the families of the Confederate soldiers, holy fu**, you couldn't be more wrong.

Please tell me that the two of you were able to read the sarcasm just dripping from Brent's post. Please.

 

[Rover]

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Yes, this. The DNC needs to be pushing this, pushing it hard. The Republican Party is sympathetic to the Nazi-esque ideals. There are Nazi flag waving people that Trump has called "very fine people."

Every D candidate needs to jump aboard this campaign. "Who do you support, the American flag and Democrats or the Nazi flag and Republicans?"


Worst case, everyone is 100% sure about where the Republican party lies after 2018.

Obviously its not worth the cost of the woman losing her life, but at the very least all of this is being exposed. The people at this rally have no qualms about being identified. In fact if you see their comments they're proud of it. The Republican party clearly stands with them as do its voters. Instead of putting out tweets or other such nonsense, either Itch McConnell or Weasel Paul Ryan could go to Charlottesville, stand on the steps of the court house or wherever, and that not only does the Republican party not want the votes or support of these people, but that they are launching a Congressional investigation into the proliferation of them much like how the Senate held hearing on the Mafia back in the 50's.

In case anybody hasn't noticed, no Republicans that I'm aware of are actually trying to do anything with any teeth in it to oppose these hate groups. When you have the Prez giving them cover (what the F is the "alt-left") and mere platitudes out of the leader of the House and Senate, why wouldn't these nuts take encouragement from that? If I were David Duke, I'd be ginning up another run for office right now.

 

[Drew S.]

I'll play along. In the wake of the Charlottesville incident, where a white supremacist ran over a peaceful protestor (there's no evidence the woman is question was doing anything violent in any way), coming out and saying you denounce extremism on both sides give cover to the white supremacists. That somehow a left winger committed an equal act of violence, so everybody's bad. That's why you and Trump and anybody else taking this position is getting blasted although I don't recall you saying there are good people too on both sides, implying that there are good neo-Nazis something I never thought I'd hear a President say in my lifetime.

You'd get the same reaction in the wake of the Dylan Root mass murder, where if you said "yeah I denounce that as well as any black on black violence in Chicago". Pairing that together = giving cover to the criminal in that particular incident.

I agree with you in your example if that was what was happening. The people were actually clashing together though. It wasn't even two separate cities on the same day.

I think you and a lot others are either trying to feed your narrative or reinforce your views on Trump voters or whatever. Can we agree that extremism(and white supremacy without question falls into this) and diviseivness are not good for our country? That is the view me, and I'm sure many others, have taken with regard to what happened last Saturday.

 

[mookie1995]

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Moving on, the point that these people aren't taking over is stupid.

when you have the presidency, isn't that by definition TAKING OVER?

the buck stops, where?

and islamic terrorists ain't taking over the country . mookie is keeping them all happy here lot of fine people on this side

they give out free water in front of every mosque. luckily there is one every other bldg. best to stay hydrated in the heat! side benefit is one gets to look at the buildings. absolutely beautiful to tell the truth. very impressive.

 

[DisplacedCornellian]

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"...but he is NOT a porn star."

Wait for the pee pee tape...

 

[burd]

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I agree with you in your example if that was what was happening. The people were actually clashing together though. It wasn't even two separate cities on the same day.

I think you and a lot others are either trying to feed your narrative or reinforce your views on Trump voters or whatever. Can we agree that extremism(and white supremacy without question falls into this) and diviseivness are not good for our country? That is the view me, and I'm sure many others, have taken with regard to what happened last Saturday.

We also know those groups have been very open about the fact that they feel inspired by Trump, something that does not surprise most of us.

 

[mookie1995]

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Yes, this. The DNC needs to be pushing this, pushing it hard. The Republican Party is sympathetic to the Nazi-esque ideals. There are Nazi flag waving people that Trump has called "very fine people." .

push it why? so they lose by a bigger margin next time??

 

[Rover]

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I agree with you in your example if that was what was happening. The people were actually clashing together though. It wasn't even two separate cities on the same day.

I think you and a lot others are either trying to feed your narrative or reinforce your views on Trump voters or whatever. Can we agree that extremism(and white supremacy without question falls into this) and diviseivness are not good for our country? That is the view me, and I'm sure many others, have taken with regard to what happened last Saturday.

We can, but again you're still giving cover over that incident. One side was protesting that whites are a superior race. The other side was opposing that viewpoint. They aren't equally at fault here. White supremacists are reprehensible. Standing up to them is the right thing to do. The white supremacists are the extremists. The people protesting them aren't. That's what I think you're losing sight of here. Unless you think those two are equal in which case you need to come out and say it.

 

[mookie1995]

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I don't understand how if you dislike extremists on both sides that means you align with those on the right. I'd add that by saying you don't care for either it's not the same as saying they are both equal in any way. That's something those on the left are making up.

nothing is funny than "alt left".

like there can be a farther, alternative to left than left

 

[Rover]

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push it why? so they lose by a bigger margin next time??

To get lazy a ss lefties off their rear-ends to vote Democratic even if said Dem candidates aren't advocating 50's era tax brackets and single payer?

 

[mookie1995]

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We can, but again you're still giving cover over that incident. One side was protesting that whites are a superior race. The other side was opposing that viewpoint. They aren't equally at fault here. White supremacists are reprehensible. Standing up to them is the right thing to do. The white supremacists are the extremists. The people protesting them aren't. That's what I think you're losing sight of here. Unless you think those two are equal in which case you need to come out and say it.

one side was saying whites are superior. the other says we know that and love the darkies and want to take care of them.


where's the difference?

rich people play "one" side off "another" so nobody goes after them. black v white. christian v muslim. straight v gay. life v choice.
anything to create noise and divert attention. been going on since people with the most rocks were the rich. ain't changing anytime soon.

 

[mookie1995]

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"...but he is NOT a porn star."

too bad kobe tai can't run for president